Same awful lineup as the one last night

[vega51]

saw that info on another forum.
Makes sence, Lilly got a 10 million contract.

Rockies shouldbe laughing at us.

[chandler44]

If he wants that much, then you trade him.

[vega51]

Tulo playing very good D

[vega51]

Biggio making the last out, POETIC JUSTICE???

This was a 1 run game, and all blames goes to Garner, he did EVERYTHING POSSIBLE TO LOSE.

Good to see Buch winning the game.

[hembo36]

season is lost...

[astrobuddy]

Chandler... about the $12 million , someone posted that over at Speedy's board. It was from an article by a reporter from the Rocky Mountain News speculating that figure. Thats where he got it.


Why is it good to see an opposing pitcher win a game Vega? Thats a silly thing to say.

Garner screwed up.

But Lance is back.

[astrobuddy]

7 games back... yep, the season is lost.

[vega51]

yep, we can't win with a bad manager, biggio, ausmus, everett hitting 7th, woody pitching, garner managing, jennings throwing 84 mph fastballs, scott hitting ground balls and K's, garner managing.

This is an ok team that needs a very good manager to win.

If we had Larussa we could do something.

Look at Larussa, a very bad team and he has them playing competitive.

Last year, with a bad team wiinning the world series.

Look, Garner is unable to win with a rotation of Oswalt, Pettitte and Clemens??? And Backe pitching like Seaver in the playoffs??

[vega51]

Yes, 7 games back but did you SEE Garner managing tonight???

He is doing that the WHOLE year.

Biggio playing almost every game?

This season is over, now, we have Biggio hitting 3,000, yupi

[astrobuddy]

We have discussed this over and over and over. Its the same thing every nite. Just resign yourself that Biggio is going to play until he gets his 3000. I dont like it anymore than you do. But its reality. Hell, I bet you Biggio is an All Star.

But the season isnt lost. If Berkman gets going this team will start winning.

[astrobuddy]

You cant win if you dont score Vega. Garner doesnt hit.

The Cards are a bad team and they are competitive?? What are the Astros? The Cards have played 2 less games and are only 3 game ahead of the Astros.

You over-rate managers.

[vega51]

Really? Why he sent Woody to pitch in the 7th?

Why he let Everett hit in the 9th?

Why he did not pinch hit for Woody in the 7th??? Leading off the inning???

1 run games are decided BY MANAGERS, AND WE DON'T HAVE A GOOD MANAGER.

[vega51]

Why he could not make a damn double switch last night?

Why he sent Qualls to pitch while losing???

Why he sent Lidge to pitch while losing??

Why bring Miller OVER Qualls and Lidge in the 7th??

Garner is a moron, taht is the truth, and you believe we have a chance with that guy managing?


Would you feel in good hands if you are in a battle with Rodney Dangerfield as your field general???

[vega51]

And Astrobbudy, if you are unable to see how bad garner was tonight, and how big he was on the loss for the astros and your argument is he does not pitches or bats, then i think that you have no idea what is going on and how important is a manager and decisions on a ballclub.

I don't really think you know because there is a big difference between Larussa/Piniella and the a$$h*le we have managing.

You NEVER see those 2 managers being OUTMANAGED, we have to see how EVERY DAY our manager is OUTMANAGED.

There are FEW games we can say, Garner outmanaged the other manager.

When was the last time you could say that??

[astrobuddy]

I see and hear the Cards fans talk about TLR and Duncan getting out managed all the time. They b*tch about TLR just like you do about Garner. Hell... they even rented a damn plane and flew a banner over the spring training facility with the words " Fire Tony" on it.

Garner makes some bonehead mistakes, I agree. Why I give him some credit is, he doesnt pick the players. This year isnt his fault. Its Gerry, Tim and Draytons fault. Garner is doing what he can with what he has. Remember, he has to put 9 on the field.