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Post by astrobuddy on Jun 27, 2007 17:59:33 GMT -5
Latest outing..... 6 innings, 5 earned runs, 4 BB, 4 K's. Loss to the Cubs.
Not good. As bad as some of you think the Jennings trade has been, It really hasnt been that bad. It was basically Jennings for Willy.
Jennings has pitched well enought to win more than 1 game. You cant blame only 1 win on him.
The Astros needed pitching more than Willy.
So far I would call it a push.
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Post by mikegallo on Jun 27, 2007 18:46:11 GMT -5
Nice spin job AB. Hirsh hasn't even pitched a full season in the majors and you are laready giving up on him. I wonder if it has something to do with him no longer being on the Astros......
AB, the trade has been awful. The point of the move was because TP thought the Astros could contend this season so he went out and got Jennings. TP overestimated the skill level of his team and now the Astros have basically thrown away three young players for a guy that has no value to a below average team. Hopefully Jennings can be dealt for something so TP can save some face here. The trade has done nothing for the 'Stros except hurt the future of the fanchise. It's absolutely laughable that you consider this move anywhere near a push when there hasn't been one positive effect that has stemmed down from it.
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Post by astrobuddy on Jun 27, 2007 19:09:42 GMT -5
You are 100 % right. But I think you miss my point. If Tim P had been right about this years team it wouldnt have been a horrible trade. Right? Jennings has not been horrible, other than being hurt.
I dont think the Astros gave up too much. Hirsh and Bucholz havent been great and it isnt like they are 21 years old and Willy is what Willy is.
It has nothing to do with Hirsh not being an Astro. I dont think he will amount to much. He wont be better than Jennings.
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Post by vega51 on Jun 27, 2007 19:18:47 GMT -5
Gallo, agree with you, when they were astros they were great, now they are rockies so they suck and Jennings is great. Interesting
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Post by astrobuddy on Jun 27, 2007 19:22:11 GMT -5
Not at all.. When they were here I had hope. They didnt do well and were traded. They are still not doing well. No homerism.
Vega.. you know I liked Willy and of the 3 players, I hated to lose him the most.
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Post by mikegallo on Jun 27, 2007 19:39:30 GMT -5
If Tim P had been right about this years team it wouldnt have been a horrible trade. Right? Jennings has not been horrible, other than being hurt. The trade owuld have at least had some merit to it. As it stands, TP showed hoe bad of a talent evaluator he really is. |
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Post by astrobuddy on Jun 27, 2007 21:02:51 GMT -5
Yes he did. I will agree with you there. But I dont think he is wrong about Hirsh and Bucholz.
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Post by redbaron on Jun 27, 2007 22:24:37 GMT -5
Fat little Timmy was dead wrong to trade two young pitchers and our centerfielder for Jason Jennings, whose fastball tops out at about 85 on a good day. Jennings can also walk at the end of the year and is rumored to be asking for about $12 million per year. He isn't worth half that. Hirsdh, Buchholz, and Taveras were all under team control past this year. As I said earlier, I wouldn't have traded Hirsch for Jennings in a straight up trade, let alone throw in the other two players. Timmy got took and should be fired.
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Post by hembo36 on Jun 27, 2007 22:34:41 GMT -5
nobody seems to big on that trade...what we are forgetting is the fact our current centerfielder would be in round rock still...between lane, scott, berkman and whoever else in RF, pence wouldnt be here right now
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Post by astrobuddy on Jun 27, 2007 23:30:19 GMT -5
hembo.. I think you might be right. For that Tim should be fired. Not the trade.
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Post by redbaron on Jun 28, 2007 9:47:20 GMT -5
Yes, Purpura made a bigger fool of himself when he sent Hunter Pence to RR at the end of Spring Training to "get more seasoning". Purpura has helped destroy our farm system on top of the ridiculous trades and other decisions he's made. Pence should have NEVER been sent to RR.
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Post by chandler44 on Jun 28, 2007 9:53:46 GMT -5
Did you want them to start him over Burke or Scott, or did you want them to bring him up to be a reserve OF?
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Post by redbaron on Jun 28, 2007 13:29:07 GMT -5
I wanted him to be a starter. Hell, he outhit everyone in the NL during Spring Training. He deserved the shot. If he screwed up, send him back down. Burke is NOT an outfielder. He is a second baseman. Putting him in the OF to begin with was just plain stupid.
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Post by mikeinsa on Jun 28, 2007 14:28:53 GMT -5
I remember toward the end of spring training Pence came to bat and one of the announcers said "sometimes a young player comes along and refuses to let you send him back down and Pence, like Pujols, is making his case". Three days later Pence is sent down.
It is premature at best to compare Pence with Pujols but the timing was classically bad.
As to the trade, bad deal - really bad deal. Not as bad a deal as the Randy Johnson deal from a long term basis but a really bad deal. Hirsch will be a better #3 or #4 than Wandy ever will.
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Post by lamearm1 on Jun 28, 2007 20:44:28 GMT -5
Did you want them to start him over Burke or Scott, or did you want them to bring him up to be a reserve OF? I wanted him to start over Burke. I also cautioned that Luke Skypointer was not the deal we saw during last season. I am also saying Burke is nothing more than a utility guy and should not be the starting 2nd baseman. |
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