Walk-off Triple??

[crashtest]

How was SkyPointer credited with a triple on his game-winning double? (Sorry, I don't think home team wins in extra-innings should be called "walk-off" when the game is tied. When the visitor wins, is it a "walk-off" strikeout to end the game?) Anyway, the Key clearly crossed homeplate BEFORE Metromale reached third. Game over. His last base was second, hence it was a double. Now if John Bateman was on first and Joe Morgan hit the gapper, Joe might very well have reached third before John reached the plate and have it legitimately be scored a triple.

Anyway -- "walk-off" should ONLY apply to HOMERUNS. Ideally, they should be non-solo shots that take you from licking the toilet bowl of defeat to sipping the sweet nectar of victory. I'll take a solo shot if the home team entered the bottom of the ninth trailing. The ultimate "walk-off" is a two out Slam, trailing by three. Roger Freed did it to Sambito in '79 and I think some version of Giles did it in Pittsburgh to end that incredible rally against us. Anybody else recall any Walk-off Salami's when either the Astros or the opponent were down by three runs before the
Slam? I'm pretty sure Freed's came with 2 out - those have got to be rare indeed.

[crashtest]

Yes, Freed's came with 2 out. The boxscore shows Sambito with 1.2 innings pitched.

www.baseball-almanac.com/box-scores/boxscore.php?boxid=197905010SLN

What year was the Giles game?

[crashtest]

www.baseball-almanac.com/box-scores/boxscore.php?boxid=200107281PIT

Brian Giles hit his off Wagner 7/28/2001 with 2 out in the bottom of the ninth to cap a 7 run rally to beat us 9-8. However, after that crushing defeat, we came back to win the 2nd game of the double-header 12-3.

[ikedilligas]

Lee's salami earlier this season? On Biggio's 300 hit night. What was the score then?

[ikedilligas]

Nevermind, I should have looked it up. Colorado was ahead 5-4 in the 11th.

[ikedilligas]

As to the original question, I think that it is one of those Official Scorer things. Regardless of when the run scored, in the scorer's opinion, where would the batter have ended up safely.

Theortically, with the bases loaded in a tie game, batter hits a homer and the game is 'over' as soon as the runner at 3rd scores. But because it was a home run, all runners score.

See Lee's salami above. Once the runner at 2nd scored, the Astros had won 6-5 But Lee and the runner at 1st still scored.

Might not be logical but in those instances that is how it works.

[crashtest]

I found a site that discussed the ULTIMATE GRAND SLAM - down by 3, bottom of the 9th (plus), TWO OUT. Here is the complete list. The Astros are on it TWICE --- as the BBG besmitten, castrated, humiliated loser:

September 9, 1881 Roger Connor - 2 outs
September 24, 1925 Babe Ruth - 1 out (10th inning)
May 23, 1936 Sammy Byrd - 0 outs
July 8, 1950 Jack Phillips - 1 out
June 16, 1952 Bobby Thomson - 0 outs
July 15, 1952 Eddie Joost - 0 outs
September 11, 1955 Del Crandall - 2 outs
May 11, 1956 Danny Kravitz - 0 outs
July 25, 1956 Roberto Clemente - 0 outs (inside the park!)
August 31, 1963 Ellis Burton - 2 outs
August 2, 1970 Tony Taylor - 0 outs
August 11, 1970 Carl Taylor - 2 outs
April 22, 1973 Ron Lolich - 2 outs
May 1, 1979 Roger Freed - 2 outs********************************
April 13, 1983 Bo Diaz - 2 outs
August 31, 1984 Buddy Bell - 2 outs
April 13, 1985 Phil Bradley - 2 outs
August 29, 1986 d*ck Schofield - 2 outs
June 21, 1988 Alan Trammell - 2 outs
May 17, 1996 Chris Hoiles - 2 outs (full count)
July 28, 2001 Brian Giles - 2 outs**********************************
May 17, 2002 Jason Giambi - 1 out (14th inning)

Check that out again. Only TWELVE times in MLB HISTORY has a game ended with a 2 out Grand Slam with the home team down by 3. It happened against us TWICE. It is perhaps one of the rarest events in MLB ---- there have been 13 unassisted triple plays (Trulowitzki pulled off number 13 earlier this year).

Houston Astros, major league baseball team, most often sodomized by the BBGs .....

[ikedilligas]

Any of them give the count? 2 strikes? Full count? etc.

[crashtest]

There is a special rule that allows the HR to stand, even if allows a surplus of runs. It didn't used to be that way and Babe Ruth lost a few HRs that way.

As I understand it, a batter cannot be credited with more bases than it takes the runner to score. Meaning, if the Key had been on 2nd when MetroMale hit his gapper, he could only have been credited with a double. If on third, only a single.

[ikedilligas]

Maybe that's why he got the triple then because Bruntlett was on 1st. I do understand your point and perhaps the r3eason Scott wasn't hauling tail is because he didn't matter in the outcome of teh game. Had that situation occurred in the 6th inning, he would have been running hard and probably got a triple anyway. Especially since the ball had caromed away from the RF when it hit the bullpen fence.

I guess if Bruntlett was on 2nd, we would be questioning a walk-off double?

[crashtest]

The rulebook spells it out. The batter can get as many bases as it takes the runner to score the winning run, provided he touch all the bases --- which a d*ck like MetroMale was sure to do.

f) Subject to the provisions of Rule 10.06(g), when a batter ends a game with a safe hit that drives in as many runs as are necessary to put his team in the lead, the official scorer shall credit such batter with only as many bases on his hit as are advanced by the runner who scores the winning run, and then only if the batter runs out his hit for as many bases as are advanced by the runner who scores the winning run.
Rule 10.06(f) Comment: The official scorer shall apply this rule even when the batter is theoretically entitled to more bases because of being awarded an "automatic" extra-base hit under various provisions of Rules 6.09 and 7.05.
The official scorer shall credit the batter with a base touched in the natural course of play, even if the winning run has scored moments before on the same play. For example, the score is tied in the bottom of the ninth inning with a runner on second base and the batter hits a ball to the outfield that falls for a base hit. The runner scores after the batter has touched first base and continued on to second base but shortly before the batter-runner reaches second base. If the batter-runner reaches second base, the official scorer shall credit the batter with a two-base hit.
(g) When the batter ends a game with a home run hit out of the playing field, the batter and any runners on base are entitled to score.

[ikedilligas]

That pretty much sums it up.

Just out of curiosity, why the name MetroMale?

[chandler44]

Furthermore, why is he a 'd*ck' now?

FWIW, I've never rarely seen Crash refer to a player by his given name.

[crashtest]

Calling him a d*ck was too strong. I just thought Bagwell wouldn't have legged out a triple and that he might have done it to pad his stats. And I have a thing against SkyPointers - it is a gauche thing to do that draws attention to oneself, again, something Bagwell would not have done. I miss that kind of quiet leadership by example and the club seems to be getting away from what was so special about it these past 15 years of the B&B era.

I had read someone else call Scott a Metromale - referring to his overly groomed appearance/haircut, etc.

I like to refer to the players by special names. I don't know exactly why. I went to a couple Fantasy Camps and heard the nicknames they would call each other in the clubhouse and on the field - usually names we weren't privvy to when I followed them as active players. It seems to be a part of male bonding, especially if the names hint at a "weakness" - the yin to the yang of names like "The Big Bopper" or mundane Milo-isms like "Baggy" and "Craigy" and "Sir Lancelot". Sometimes they catch on with a forum and the members might get some of that sense of clubhouse camaraderie I sensed in my Fantasy Camp days. I think "The Big Puma" started that way elsewhere and it was very well received.

[chandler44]

To be honest, I snicker each time I read "MetroMale"..that one fits him from what I can see.