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Post by texiban001 on Oct 5, 2007 7:47:20 GMT -5
The thing with Ike was he was an accomodationist. He should have told that over-rated jackass Montgomery to shut his pie hole and do his job. Instead he let this idiot talk him into Operation Market-Garden. First 2 stages went OK then they hit a bridge too far at Remagen. Montgomery counted too much on getting material and troops to Remagen over 1 elevated road and the Allies got stopped cold and the landing zones got overrun. Ike should have relieved Montgomery on the spot but due to his sensitivity to the British command, he let him stay on the job. Bradley hated Montgomery as much as Patton did and this should have been a clue to Ike.
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Post by jbarron on Oct 5, 2007 9:14:55 GMT -5
Ike was too concerned with letting the damn British have part of the glory. Montgomery envisoned himself as some sort of genius when, in fact, he came across as a wimp and Hitler laughed at him. We would have won the war a lot sooner if we hadn't been so concerned about not stepping on British pride.
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Post by texiban001 on Oct 5, 2007 9:24:38 GMT -5
Yep. You really want to piss off a Limey? Tell him that Montgomery was over-rated and the idea of a Queen is kind of ridiculous. ;D
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Britney
Oct 5, 2007 18:45:03 GMT -5
Post by hembo36 on Oct 5, 2007 18:45:03 GMT -5
I dont agree, jb, however, its really hard to argue on this because i dont think theres a proven answer. They were all good so its more or personal preference. Bradley was widely popular and knew what he was doing. Patton was too but i think you will find historians and military experts who agree that Bradley was a better soldier
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Britney
Oct 5, 2007 18:45:40 GMT -5
Post by hembo36 on Oct 5, 2007 18:45:40 GMT -5
btw...its agreed about monty...
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Britney
Oct 5, 2007 22:16:10 GMT -5
Post by jbarron on Oct 5, 2007 22:16:10 GMT -5
Back to Brittney............I vote that she has her snatch sewed up with bailing wire.
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Post by texiban001 on Oct 8, 2007 7:26:36 GMT -5
Barbed wire! ;D
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Britney
Oct 14, 2007 11:23:46 GMT -5
Post by sadoug on Oct 14, 2007 11:23:46 GMT -5
interesting thread....The general not mentioned was Washington...he was WAY better than advertised.(little known fact...he was the only office in the Continental Army that stayed in Valley forge with his men the whole time.)...he won against overwhelming odds against the greatest army on earth...and he had to do it with underequipped troops that were not getting paid
As for Rommel...he was an admitted conspirator in the plot to kill Hitler...all other conspirators were exicuted....The Germans alloweed rommel to commit suiside out of respect
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Britney
Oct 17, 2007 10:41:40 GMT -5
Post by sadoug on Oct 17, 2007 10:41:40 GMT -5
apparantly we were destined to use that bridge at remagen, because in spite of the fact that the germans set charges and blew it up, it remained intact long enough to get 100,000troops accross it.
Monty was a pompous ass, but he was a better General than we want to admit....he had been fighting Rommel accross North Africa for 2 years before we got into the fight.
And...whether we want to admit it or not, the German Army was mostly destroyed by the Red Army(...most of the German Army was on the Eastern front)
Of course, neither England, nor Russia would have been in the fight had it not been for our heroic merchant seamen hauling more material than the germans could keep up with.
No doubt America won the war for our side, but we cant forget the contributions made by the Allies
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