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Post by chandler44 on May 27, 2007 20:44:18 GMT -5
That's the point. Why would you honestly believe that they would have let Beltran go over something like a no trade clause, something they've given before and they've given since?
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Post by vega51 on May 27, 2007 20:45:51 GMT -5
well, they did not give it to beltran, so management screwed that one.
MANAGEMENT SAID they did not wanted to give that clause because it was asked way too late in negotiations, stupid move by astros.
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Post by astrobuddy on May 27, 2007 20:49:58 GMT -5
Beltran isnt as Astros because he chose to play in NY. Same with Kent, Clemens, Pettitte.
Blame them for the trades, but the FA signings arent the AStros fault.
Beltran was never going to sign here. The no trade clause is BS started by BOrass.
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Post by chandler44 on May 27, 2007 20:52:25 GMT -5
Do you really think, given what we've seen the Astros give to other players before and since then, that if Boras had told the Astros from the get-go that they wanted a no trade clause to cover the first 3 years that they would have let that and that alone be the deciding factor in Beltran walking?
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Post by hembo36 on May 27, 2007 20:55:14 GMT -5
garner would eb the first gone..why would he f**k around and take out oswalt? let him work out of a jam...they bring white in and he f**ks it up
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Post by vega51 on May 27, 2007 20:55:46 GMT -5
I disagree, Beltran wanted to play for the Astros, same with Kent.
Pettitte gave FIRST chance to Astros and Clemens just saw how pitiful this team was and left to NY.
Beltran was not going to sign if there was a no trade clause there, good for him. Player want control of his life after you spend 9 years under the CONTROL of a team. IF you are able to become a FA, ask for the clause, is your right and you should go for it. If not, go to another team that will offer it. Management screw that one.
Kent, another mistake. He WAS UNDER CONTRACT, only thing needed was astros TO PICK OPTION. Astros DID NOT PICK OPTION.
Pettitte, he ask for 2 years, astros did not wanted to sign him for 2 years, he left to a team that gave him taht kind of contract.
So is not correct to say those 3 players did not wanted to play for the astros, just the opposite and thats MY POINT, management is SCREWING negotiations with good talent.
Now, Clemens is another story, and i can't fault him, he did the RIGHT THING, he saw how pitiful this organization is by trying to give biggiio his chance of 3,000 hits instead of having the best team on the field.
Clemens and Pettitte are WINNERS and they've seen how teams that win do business, and they will NOT carry dead weight like Biggio for individual purposes and left the other players unprotected for a real chance to win games.
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Post by chandler44 on May 27, 2007 21:01:14 GMT -5
I disagree, Beltran wanted to play for the Astros, But you still didn't answer my question. Not a mistake. What in the hell are you talking about? Who said those 3 players did not wanted to play for the Astros? Here's another honest question: did Beltran, in fact, get a no trade clause from the Mets? I can't find a definitive answer. |
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Post by vega51 on May 27, 2007 21:11:05 GMT -5
YES
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