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Post by vega51 on May 26, 2007 7:24:39 GMT -5
to trade your top prospect (hirsh) and yes, hirsh was number 1 prospect according to BA for Jennings IS SUTPID. Now, if you do that and include a cf and another starter is MAD. Purpura is a stupid GM and knows nothing about talent. He had the opportunity to sign a good catcher, Bengie and instead went with Ausmus, STUPID. He had the chance on picking Kent's contract, but no, went with Biggio. He had the chance of re signing Pettite, and then Clemens, he chose Woody Williams. Lee WANTED to play for the astros and the moron was TRYING to sign SORIANO? ?
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Post by vega51 on May 26, 2007 7:28:22 GMT -5
ohhhhhhhhhhhhh, and let not forget about Beltran. Hun brought him to Houston, Purp could not keep him.
And the thing is Beltran wanted to play with Houston, but, after all it looks like he did the right choice.
Minaya show great interest, gave him a no trade clause and he is gone.
Purp, well, they did not play the cards correct, they wanted full power on the player and lost.
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Post by chandler44 on May 26, 2007 9:05:42 GMT -5
to trade your top prospect (hirsh) and yes, hirsh was number 1 prospect according to BA Yes, at the beginning of 2006. Those lists, which are only opinions by the way and not facts, do change from year to year. In 2005 he wasn't even in the top 10. Who else has been #1 prospect for the Astros according to BA? Taylor Buchholz, John Buck (let me know when he can hit over a whole year, 100 good ab this year doesn't take away 3 bad years), Wilfredo Rodriguez, RIchard Hidalgo, Brian Hunter, Todd Jones. In hindsight, with Jennings being hurt the deal looks bad right now, but at the time it wasn't a bad move. You were trading a guy that had the hype last year but never looked very good (Hirsh), another guy who wasn't very good last year AND had injury issues (Buchholz), and a light hitting CF. I'm not going to defend him or say he's good, he's shown that's not true, but to suggest he made a choice of Williams over Pettitte is wrong IMO. He made an offer on Pettitte, and you can't blame him for not giving a 2nd year with a player option for big $$$$ to an oft-injured pitcher. When Pettitte turned it down and went to NY, THEN they signed Williams.
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Post by Coach2 on May 26, 2007 9:17:20 GMT -5
When did Jennings look good enough to give up what we did for him?
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Post by chandler44 on May 26, 2007 9:29:13 GMT -5
Jennings was pretty good in 2006, especially considering it was Colorado.
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Post by Coach on May 26, 2007 9:34:18 GMT -5
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Post by chandler44 on May 26, 2007 9:37:27 GMT -5
I think they were hoping that being a young pitcher who was just entering his prime, he would continue his 2006 success in a much better pitching environment than in Colorado.
All things considered, I really don't think they gave up that much. Hirsh didn't impress me at all last year, Buchholz' arm is going to fall off sooner or later. I'd like to have Taveras back, that's true.
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Post by chandler44 on May 26, 2007 9:40:57 GMT -5
But you're probably right - all things considered, you'd have to likely mark the deal down in the failure column.
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Post by redbaron on May 26, 2007 10:49:50 GMT -5
The Jennings trade was a DUMB move........period. You don't trade two good pitching prospects and your starting centerfielder for a #2 or #3 pitcher who could walk at the end of the year.
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Post by vega51 on May 26, 2007 16:45:01 GMT -5
He is more of a #3 pitcher on a good rotation, and yes, a 1 year deal guy.
Dumb move.
Now, you trade a cf, a top prospect and a FORMER number 1 prospect for a Randy Johnson, but not a Jason Jennings.
Actually, many people said Jennings and Hirsh are about same kind of pitchers for THIS YEAR.
Purp made a big mistake here, big one.
And if Purp signs Jennings to a multiyear contract he is mad considering he has elbow problems.
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Post by redbaron on May 26, 2007 16:51:41 GMT -5
I would rather have Taveras and Hirsch on our roster than Jennings.
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Post by astrobuddy on May 26, 2007 17:03:34 GMT -5
You would now. But hindsight is a wonderful thing.
Borass got Willy traded.
Why dont we wait till unless the 1/2 way point before we see what the trade looks like.
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Post by Coach on May 26, 2007 17:11:09 GMT -5
What's the harm in b*tching about it now? It ain't like we have some winning baseball to talk about.
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Post by astrobuddy on May 26, 2007 17:14:17 GMT -5
No harm. I just have a differeing opinion.
Jennings when he comes back may be the difference between a 70 win season and an 80 win season.
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Post by vega51 on May 26, 2007 18:54:00 GMT -5
I take Hirsh over Jennings any day.
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