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Post by hembo36 on Aug 24, 2007 23:37:32 GMT -5
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Post by astrobuddy on Aug 25, 2007 1:55:32 GMT -5
The Astros have the 14th highest payroll. It would take about $ 5 million more to get inside the top 10. Would that make you happy?
Houston is a mid market team and Drayton spends mid market money. It isnt how much he spends its what he spends it on that matters.
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Post by hembo36 on Aug 25, 2007 2:08:55 GMT -5
and you of course have failed to grasp the concept of how much revenue he brings in as opposed to whats spent. yes, according to what that says he is underspending..although i do admit that cost reflects the amount he would have spent on clemens had he come back...revenue is up 6% compared to last year
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Post by astrobuddy on Aug 25, 2007 2:26:31 GMT -5
OK.. I am still waiting on your point. How much more should Drayton spend?
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Post by dennis2112 on Aug 25, 2007 8:58:24 GMT -5
Does the article reflect how much Drayton spends on Minor league contracts, scouting,, etc?
I think Drayton has shown he is willing to go a little over when needed. The real problem has been how he spends it and on who.
Does anybody remember Drabek and Swindell?
He was burned right off the bat when he took over and never seems to get his money until Clemens came along.
I agree that we need to spend money to be better but just who do you suggest we should have spent money on last off-season?
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Post by sadoug on Aug 25, 2007 9:34:48 GMT -5
I have to go with AB and Debbis on theis one...I never thoiught Draton was as cheap as some here think, but I wonder about his judgement on how he spends it.I hope we can be wiser in how we decide who to keep, and who to cull...I think he could have gotten more for Wheeler, and saved every dime wasted on Lane and Ensburg.
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Post by sadoug on Aug 25, 2007 9:36:23 GMT -5
For that matter, I wish he would spend more on scouting, and good baseball minds
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Post by hembo36 on Aug 25, 2007 10:02:33 GMT -5
It factors in the cost the major league team incurs. Im guessing it doesnt factor in the minor leagues but either way i think thats moot because they have to purchase the contracts of those minor leaguers back in order to bring them up anyways. It may effect what they are given up front as signing bonus's? who knows..the point is he bought this team for quite a bit less than what its worth now and he has in fact gained roughly the same amount each year. he should put that money back into bringing a winner here. The 4th largest city in America(houston) is a medium sized market because the product they field sucks. There would be a greater following outside Houston and texas in general if they were more competitive every year..
its always a struggle for these guys..they always seem to show up 1 or 2 games back at the end...yes i would like him to spend what the yankees do over a three or 4 years period and see what happens..if it doesnt work he could forever say' i tried'
i want him to get guys like chipper jones, johan santana and maybe jonathan papelbon.. i want him to try and get albert pujols or miguel tejada....cant compete with the trash they usually get...wiggington isnt the answer and no amount of stats are going to convince most that the guys mentioned above wouldnt replace what we have at those positions.(just examples relax)
its not a mystery that the entire city woke up when these guys went to the playoffs with beltran and then the WS..since then people have grown tired of the close calls..imagine if these guys were in post season every year(past the first round)
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Post by astrobuddy on Aug 25, 2007 10:14:24 GMT -5
We have a player better than Chipper Jones. We have Oswalt ( I still want them to trade for Santana and get him back) and when Lidge was going Papelbon couldnt hold Lidge's jock.
Wigginton is a good fit for 3rd base.
Pujols isnt going anywhere.
The Astros have the 4th best record since 1991 in all of MLB. I am not sure how much more competitive that could be. Houston isnt a baseball city. IT is better now than it has been but Houston is a football town.
How has that $200 million dollar payroll worked out for the Yankees?
hembo... go figure out what "mid market"means or how they figure " market" sizes before you attempt to talk about it as if you are an expert like you do on other baseball subjects and dont have a clue what it really means. Do some research for a change.
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Post by chandler44 on Aug 25, 2007 10:24:19 GMT -5
That's what matters. He's not a cheapskate over the last few years, not even close. He's spending enough to put a winner out there, it's the way the money is spent that is the problem.
If they could have gotten more, then why wouldn't they have? The big name prospects simply weren't available on most teams this year. They got a guy to fill the hole at 3b for us for the next few years.
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Post by chandler44 on Aug 25, 2007 10:36:46 GMT -5
Im guessing it doesnt factor in the minor leagues but either way i think thats moot because they have to purchase the contracts of those minor leaguers back in order to bring them up anyways. The Astros pay the salaries of all their minor leaguers, as do every other MLB team. "Affiliations are contracts that can be drawn up from one to five years. The major league club pays player salaries. The minor league club handles all other operations and operational expenses." They're a mid sized market because that's how big the Houston TV market is. Old StudyEven though Houston is the 4th biggest city in the US, Houston is the 6th biggest metro area in 2006 estimates. Up until a few years ago, they weren't even in the top 10. Since 1997 the only teams that have been more consistenly competitive year in and year out are Atlanta and New York. 97 1st 98 1st 99 1st 00 4th (23gb) 01 1st 02 2nd (13gb) 03 2nd (1gb) 04 2nd (13gb) *Wild Card* NLCS 05 2nd (11gb) *Wild Card* World Series 06 2nd (1.5gb) Houston's far from being a Pittsburgh, a Cincinnati, or even a Dodgers team. |
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Post by jbarron on Aug 25, 2007 10:40:19 GMT -5
Until Drayton gets rid of Purpura, hires a real GM, and let's him actually run the team, we will continue to be mediocre. Drayton has no clue as to how to build a team ,yet he refuses to let his GM's do their job. He needs to stay in Temple and sell groceries while the baseball people run the Astros.
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Post by garyfan on Aug 25, 2007 11:02:12 GMT -5
I've gotta defend Drayton here.
How can people be on his case when he is arguably the most successful owner in Houston Sports History? (You might say this is Les Alexander because of the two championships but what have the Rockets done in the long haul, especally recently.)
He spends the money and fields successful teams. You might argue that he's too hands on but, hell, it is HIS money.
He got MMP built.
He made sure Biggio and Bagwell retire as Astros.
He keeps the Astros as a team you can be proud of, thugs and jerks don't hang around long.
I'm glad we got him. We couldn't do much better and we could do a hell of a lot worse.
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Post by hembo36 on Aug 25, 2007 11:37:51 GMT -5
AB..you read exactly what you want to read..did you not see theJ UST EXAMPLES HERE RELAX. I put that there for the very reason you just showed...read whats posted
gary
the only one they offered serious money to was beltran. the astros have let a lot of guys go they should probably have kept
I give him props for getting lee but thats one guy he has paid big money to in, what, 13 years of owning the team...
chandler
thanks for making my point clearer..you to can also read to where i said always one or two games short..you proved my point ot a tee...How far did they get after winning their division in the 90's? 3 and out
thanks
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Post by astrobuddy on Aug 25, 2007 11:48:35 GMT -5
But you are equating Drayton with what the team does. Drayton put the team on the field He cant make them win. The Playoffs are a crapshoot.
I asked you 1 question which you have avoided.
1) How has that $200 million payroll worked out for the Yankees.
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