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relief
Sept 2, 2007 19:09:06 GMT -5
Post by hembo36 on Sept 2, 2007 19:09:06 GMT -5
There is none...to be fair its ok...after you take out of the equation qualls, randolph, lidge, miller, borkowski, mclemore and moehler its not bad...
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relief
Sept 3, 2007 8:42:10 GMT -5
Post by vega51 on Sept 3, 2007 8:42:10 GMT -5
lidge and qualls are good, after that we have next to nothing. And we trade Wheeler for ANOTHER 3b?  / Is a pity Purp was NOT fired before the trade. |
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relief
Sept 3, 2007 8:42:43 GMT -5
Post by vega51 on Sept 3, 2007 8:42:43 GMT -5
Ohhhhhhhhhhh, and lets not forget we did not re sign Springer.
Before we had 4 very capable relievers, now we have 2.
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relief
Sept 3, 2007 11:25:31 GMT -5
Post by jbarron on Sept 3, 2007 11:25:31 GMT -5
Too bad Purpura wasn't fired before he gave away Taveras, Hirsch, and Buchholz for Jennings.
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relief
Sept 3, 2007 12:20:20 GMT -5
Post by vega51 on Sept 3, 2007 12:20:20 GMT -5
agree, or before we could re sign beltran.
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relief
Sept 3, 2007 23:20:15 GMT -5
Post by dennis2112 on Sept 3, 2007 23:20:15 GMT -5
agree, or before we could re sign beltran. I don't think it would have mattered if Donald Duck was our GM in the case of Beltran. We were used to up the ante from the Mets. Borass wanted the Yankees but they would not take his calls. As for the Jennings trade, I agree that Pupura just screwed that up after he screwed up the negotiations with Pettitte. |
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relief
Sept 4, 2007 3:28:24 GMT -5
Post by vega51 on Sept 4, 2007 3:28:24 GMT -5
Beltran wanted to play for the Astros or Yankees, not the Mets.
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relief
Sept 4, 2007 8:10:33 GMT -5
Post by Coach on Sept 4, 2007 8:10:33 GMT -5
agree, or before we could re sign beltran. I don't think it would have mattered if Donald Duck was our GM in the case of Beltran. We were used to up the ante from the Mets. Borass wanted the Yankees but they would not take his calls. As for the Jennings trade, I agree that Pupura just screwed that up after he screwed up the negotiations with Pettitte. Have you ever seen Donald Duck and Purpura together? |
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relief
Sept 4, 2007 8:40:33 GMT -5
Post by texiban001 on Sept 4, 2007 8:40:33 GMT -5
NO, but Donald is not fat enough to be PooPoora! ;D
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relief
Sept 4, 2007 10:25:50 GMT -5
Post by dennis2112 on Sept 4, 2007 10:25:50 GMT -5
Beltran wanted to play for the Astros or Yankees, not the Mets. Just because his wife said she liked it here, did not mean that Beltran himself wanted to be here. If you factor in the tax situation in NY as opposed to Texas. Beltran would have made about the same if he signed here by what was being offered at the time. You don't bring up a no-trade clause in the 11th hour if you want to sign with that team. That is something that would be brought up early in any negotiation unless you were trying to torpedo the whole thing. Which of course, Borass was. It has been reported that Borass was calling the Yankees every step of the negotiations with the Astros and the Yanks said, stop calling. The Mets were the next closest to the Yanks being that they both were in NY and on the big stage. Which is what Beltran wanted anyways. |
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relief
Sept 4, 2007 12:20:12 GMT -5
Post by vega51 on Sept 4, 2007 12:20:12 GMT -5
Noooooooooooooooooooo. Actually, i see it different. The no trade clause is a clause used BY ALMOST all of the star players. So, Boras asking for that at the last minute is no biggie because is a claused used by almost ALL STAR players. Do you know that Berkman and Oswalt have that clause? ?? Beltran himself TOLD me he wanted to play for the Astros. It was a mistake by management and not Beltran. |
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relief
Sept 4, 2007 13:13:50 GMT -5
Post by dennis2112 on Sept 4, 2007 13:13:50 GMT -5
Beltran himself TOLD me he wanted to play for the Astros. I am sorry, I did not realize that you were such close personal friends with Beltran. I am sure he, as all players , are very truthful when talking fans. They would never tell a fan what they wanted to hear. Players have nothing to fear when speaking their minds. No fan backlash when they say that they want to leave a fan's team. Come on, Vega, are you that naive? As for all players, it seems to me that you ask for everything you want in the first exchange of proposals when entering a negotiation. If there is a real deal-breaker, and you really want the deal to consummate, then those things would be up front and in the original proposal. Not brought up in the 11th hour. I know Berkman and Oswalt have no-trade clauses. What exactly does that have to do with Beltran? I am sure that Berkman and Oswalt's agents had the no-trade clauses up front when they negotiated their extensions. Why would they do that? Because it was a deal-breaker and they both wanted to stay with Astros. |
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relief
Sept 4, 2007 15:17:05 GMT -5
Post by jamesa46 on Sept 4, 2007 15:17:05 GMT -5
vega-
I'm going to have to disagree with you on this one. I've always had this idea that you believe what a person does and not what they say. In other words, action speaks louder than words.
If Beltran really wanted to stay in Houston he would still be in Houston.
I have come to the conclusion that Beltran is not only a helluva ballplayer and a great outfielder, he is also a helluva liar.
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relief
Sept 4, 2007 17:07:33 GMT -5
Post by chandler44 on Sept 4, 2007 17:07:33 GMT -5
Dennis and James have it spot on.
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relief
Sept 4, 2007 17:10:15 GMT -5
Post by garyfan on Sept 4, 2007 17:10:15 GMT -5
Agree. Boras and Beltran used us like a tool. We can't hang this one on Drayton.
Nor can we fault him for refusing to deal with Boras again. (FYI, Boras is Willy T's agent - which may have had something to do with his availability.)
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