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Post by dennis2112 on Oct 16, 2007 0:05:10 GMT -5
It is true that the Astros have had their problems recently and hopefully they will be dealt with under the new GM.
However, I fail to see what it is about the Astros that makes you so angry Vega. The sky is not falling and the world is not going to end.
Its true also that there is much work to be done and plenty of room for improvement. So lets focus on the positive and talk about moves that makes us better. I say "us" meaning the Astros and their fans. I would like to consider you a member of that group but your recent ranting have proven that to be difficult.
The Astros have a good GM that has a proven track record of getting and SEEING talent. Drayton may have dibbled a little too much but there is no arguing the success the Astros have had under his ownership.
Maybe you were too young to remember the Astros under the previous owner. McMullen was a carpetbagger from the NE and he absolutely ran this team into the ground. The only time he ever ponied up cash for talent was when he signed Nolan Ryan. If it weren't for our pitching in the 80's, the Astros would have never seen the playoffs.
I can concede that Drayton has interfered at times but he has always tried to better this team and went for all the marbles a few times but it just never panned out. That happens in MLB. Just ask this years Yankees.
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Post by vega51 on Oct 16, 2007 0:46:51 GMT -5
Dennis, are you blind?  ??/// What is good about this team right now? ?// Look at the rotation, beside Oswalt, what else do we have? ?/// Towels and Pence, and 2 veteras, Berkman and Lee, what else do we have? ? Beside 2 relievers, what else do we have? //// Our minor league system, AWFUL. Last year picks, we did NOT signed the top 3 or 4 picks if i am not mistaken. So Dennis, this team NEEDS TO MAKE MAJOR CHANGES QUICK because right now they look AWFUL. Right now this is our rotation for next year: 1. Oswalt 2. Backe 3. Patton 4. Wandy 5. Woody AWFUL ROTATION, awful.\\ Lidge, a guy struggling to close. |
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Post by vega51 on Oct 16, 2007 0:49:18 GMT -5
If your definition of an Astros fan is one THAT WILL NOT SEE WHAT IS WRONG ON THE ORGANIZATION, then i am NOT an Astros fan.
If your definition of an Astros fan is a blind fan that will not TALK ABOUT WHAT IS WRONG IN THE ORGANIZATION, then you are a TRUE ASSTROS FAN.
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Post by crashtest on Oct 16, 2007 1:58:57 GMT -5
Dennis, are you blind? ??/// What is good about this team right now? ?// Look at the rotation, beside Oswalt, what else do we have? ?/// Towels and Pence, and 2 veteras, Berkman and Lee, what else do we have? ? Beside 2 relievers, what else do we have? //// Our minor league system, AWFUL. Last year picks, we did NOT signed the top 3 or 4 picks if i am not mistaken. So Dennis, this team NEEDS TO MAKE MAJOR CHANGES QUICK because right now they look AWFUL. Right now this is our rotation for next year: 1. Oswalt 2. Backe 3. Patton 4. Wandy 5. Woody AWFUL ROTATION, awful.\\ Lidge, a guy struggling to close. If the Rockies can get into the WS with their roster, anybody can. Hell, BOTH Arizona and Colorado went from worst to first. Could we go to a WS with Berkboy, Loretta, Everett, Ty, Towles, Lee, whathisname ? Anderson?, Pence in the field. Sure we could. Nobody is really any better in the NL Central. I could see Oswalt winning 20-25 and Backe and Wandy winning 15-18. Lidge could return to old form. A rookie pitcher could surprise. The important thing is to get a line-up that gels and believes in its ability to win rather than just get Biggio 3000 hits. |
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Post by chandler44 on Oct 16, 2007 6:15:50 GMT -5
You are mistaken, as I've pointed out to you before. Draft recapThey didn't sign #3, #4, but signed #5, #6, & #7. |
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Post by vega51 on Oct 16, 2007 6:25:29 GMT -5
oK, LETS SEE, they did not sign the FIRST TWO PICKS AVAILABLE, and lost the first 2 because they were DUMB enough not to give arbitration to their players, meaning, probably 4, for sure 3.
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Post by astrobuddy on Oct 16, 2007 6:56:52 GMT -5
Vega.. you really need some help. I am being serious. You are really not well.
You are not a fan. I dont know what you are but a fan of the Houston Astros you arent. You have crazy expectations and you defend other teams. That isnt an Astros fan. The only thing you want to do is come into this forum and bash the Astros and everything releated to them. The Houston Astros since Drayton has owned them are a winning team. I dont give a crap about your " must win the argument at all cost BS spin job" they are a winning team. They are a Championship team. The won the NL pennant. They just havent won the WS yet. Alot of people are happy with winning a pennant.
You are getting more and more like hembo everyday and even worse in some respects because of the extreme nature of some of the crap you post.
Like I said.. get some help.
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Post by chandler44 on Oct 16, 2007 9:25:04 GMT -5
oK, LETS SEE, they did not sign the FIRST TWO PICKS AVAILABLE, and lost the first 2 because they were DUMB enough not to give arbitration to their players, meaning, probably 4, for sure 3. They didn't have a 1st or 2nd rd pick. Their first 4 picks were in the 3rd, 4th, 5th, & 6th rounds. They signed 2 of those, so your statement that they did not sign their top 3-4 picks is completely and unequivocally wrong, whether you admit it or not. They didn't lose the first 2 because they were 'dumb' enough not to give arbitration to their players. Do you really understand how it works? They lost the 1st rd pick for signing Carlos Lee and the 2nd rd pick for Williams. No sane GM would have offered arbitration to a 44 yr old pitcher who just made $25M pro-rated or to an injury-prone late 30s pitcher who made $17M. Do you not understand that, according to the rules of arbitration, those guys wouldn't have had much of a paycut, and more likely would have made even MORE money? |
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Post by dennis2112 on Oct 16, 2007 9:32:58 GMT -5
So Dennis, this team NEEDS TO MAKE MAJOR CHANGES QUICK because right now they look AWFUL. Maybe if you had taken the time to read my post, you would have seen that I agree that changes need to be made. But you choose to rant and freak out. In addition, as others have pointed out, anybody on any given season is capable of winning. The Astros are no exception. Vega, in the past you have shown to have at least a semblance of baseball knowledge and a sliver of fan support for the Astros. But recently you have become a shill for the Yankees. You might want to step back and look at what you are posting before you hit the send button. |
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Post by jbarron on Oct 16, 2007 9:43:34 GMT -5
Dennis, are you blind? ??/// What is good about this team right now? ?// Look at the rotation, beside Oswalt, what else do we have? ?/// Towels and Pence, and 2 veteras, Berkman and Lee, what else do we have? ? Beside 2 relievers, what else do we have? //// Our minor league system, AWFUL. Last year picks, we did NOT signed the top 3 or 4 picks if i am not mistaken. So Dennis, this team NEEDS TO MAKE MAJOR CHANGES QUICK because right now they look AWFUL. Right now this is our rotation for next year: 1. Oswalt 2. Backe 3. Patton 4. Wandy 5. Woody AWFUL ROTATION, awful.\\ Lidge, a guy struggling to close. If the Rockies can get into the WS with their roster, anybody can. Hell, BOTH Arizona and Colorado went from worst to first. Could we go to a WS with Berkboy, Loretta, Everett, Ty, Towles, Lee, whathisname ? Anderson?, Pence in the field. Sure we could. Nobody is really any better in the NL Central. I could see Oswalt winning 20-25 and Backe and Wandy winning 15-18. Lidge could return to old form. A rookie pitcher could surprise. The important thing is to get a line-up that gels and believes in its ability to win rather than just get Biggio 3000 hits. What makes you think Wandy can win 15-18 games? Unless he can change his menal makeup, he needs to be traded. He pouts and loses concentration when things don't go his way which is a sign of immaturity. He won't win that many games until he grows up. I'm glad that Cecil got on him about the way he pouted to the umpires. |
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Post by texiban001 on Oct 16, 2007 10:17:40 GMT -5
I was an Astros fan for 30+ years until they started fawning all over Bagwell and Biggio constantly. It takes more than 2 players to make a team successful. Biggio getting his 3000th hit should NOT have been the goal of the Astros last season. But here again is the meddling owner stepping in and making day to day decisions that the manager should be making. No one that was a fan during McMullets' tenure wants to go back to those days. I am pissed because McLame spent 45 MIL on Clemons when he could have used that money to get a little more offense and probably another 4 or 5 starter. Then PooPoora goes and trades Taveris and friends for Jason Jennings!! What the hell was he smoking? It must have been some good sh*t because he definitely wasn't thinking straight.  Let's see what Wade and Cooper can do with the talent available and whatever trades they can come up wiht. I am willing to give them a season to see if they can start to turn this thing around.  |
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Post by mikeinsa on Oct 16, 2007 10:23:05 GMT -5
We need one more run producer.
We need a lead off hitter
We need a top quality starter
We need a top quality reliever
That is a lot for one off season.
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Post by astrobuddy on Oct 16, 2007 11:00:21 GMT -5
I disagree Mike. You can aquire those things. Look at the teams in the playoffs that havent spent $150 million? They get help from unknown sources. I know what you mean , but this idea that you need to spend more money is just flat wrong. Next seasons Astros will be different. My hope is a more balanced team.
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Post by mikeinsa on Oct 16, 2007 11:26:50 GMT -5
I did not say they could not. It is just not likely.
Patton could step up and be dominate, doubtful but it could happen
JR could be the run producer and a great catcher, that is a lot to wish for
Albers could be the dominate arm out of the pen, he has not shown that yet though.
Burke could be the answer for 2nd. Again I doubt it but it could be.
I would hate to see us spend the money on Hunter as the run producer, or Schilling as the #2 starter. I just think that we should fill the holes as best we can for 2008 and then see where the kids are and wait for 2009 to spend the money. That seems the best option in my world.
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Post by dennis2112 on Oct 16, 2007 12:05:12 GMT -5
We need one more run producer. We need a lead off hitter We need a top quality starter We need a top quality reliever That is a lot for one off season. Well, it is true that the list that needs improvement is long but its not impossible to at least fix a few of the issues and start winning again. Winning cures alot of woes. I say if we can get one or more of the youngsters to up their pitching game and get Berkman back into form that we can make noise. |
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