Torre

[jbarron]

Vega, Torre was right to refuse that contract. If the Yankees really wanted him, there would have been no salary cut. Torre showed some pride and basically told Steinbrenner to shove the contract up his ass. I applaud Torre for not accepting this crap from Steinbrenner.

[vega51]

I think Torre did it because he DID NOT WANTED to manage the Yankees anymore, not because there was a salary pay cut, this was his EXCUSE.

5 million dollars to manage is a BIG contract and with the incentives he was going to get SAME AMOUNT of money.

Remember, Yankees owner will GIVE YOU a GREAT team that at least is going to the playoffs, just for doing that is 1 more million.

Thats 6 million, the rest he needs TO IMPROVE what he has done for the past 7 years, winning series.

Why should the Yankees give Torre THE SAME CONTRACT when he has not done much in the past 7 years??//

Yankees told them, look, i'll give you more money than any other manager in baseball, but for you to get the SAME amount, YOU'LL NEED TO WIN.

Like i said, i respect an organization that is WINNING FIRST.

I hope our organization STARTS thinking that way.

[chandler44]

The whole deal was a slap in the face to Torre, starting with Steinbrenner calling him out publicly all the way to the team stringing him along, waiting a week to offer him a contract that guaranteed less money.

If a man has any pride whatsoever, that's when you tell them 'ya know what, just keep the job'.

[jbarron]

Torre put up with a jerk and a$$h*le like George Steinbrenner for 12 years. That's long enough for anyone to have to deal with crap like that.

[vega51]

Chandler, then i have to say that Torre has the SAME pride as Biggio playing for 3 years just for the sake of getting to 3,000 hits when the guy was unable to be a GOOD second basemen in the majors.

Biggio DID GET a paycutt to play baseball, right//??/

So Biggio has NO pride??//////

[chandler44]

Biggio wasn't publicly strung along for a week or 2 like Torre was.

What does Biggio have to do with anything?

[vega51]

Biggio took a pay cut, same with Torre.

Biggio did not delivered in his last 3 years, Torre in 7.

Yes, Biggio was not publicly strung along for 2 weeks like Torre did, you know why??/

Because yankees are an organization that winning comes FIRST.

Like i said, Biggio would had not play for a Yankee team for the last 3 years because they don't care about individual records. Like i said, is the SAME situation with Torre, you did not produce what they expect in the past 7 years so contract was, for 1 year an incentives. By the way, Torre was paid to be HIGHEST paid manager in baseball, 5 millions. Poor guy, 5 million dollars, that is a slap in his face.

Chandler, talking about pride after a 5 million offer, good to know YOU are such a millionaire that you can say that 5 million dollar for a manager is a slap on his face.

[chandler44]

vega51 said:

Biggio took a pay cut, same with Torre.

Again, Biggio has nothing to do with the situation, so get over your obsession. I know AB's gone and you don't have anyone to have your petty arguments with about Biggio, but you're not going to get one out of me.

Chandler, talking about pride after a 5 million offer, good to know YOU are such a millionaire that you can say that 5 million dollar for a manager is a slap on his face.

If you don't see how telling a long time employee PUBLICLY that he'll lose his job if he doesn't win a series and then dragging your ass on deciding if you want him back or not is disrespectful, then you got a lot to learn about respect and treating people the right way.

He shouldn't have even waited for the offer - he should have walked away long before when they were 'considering it'. Think what you will about how your favorite team handled the situation, but most of us realize the team was wrong. Either way, I'm through with it.

[jbarron]

Biggio is now retired, Vega. I think it's time to stop trashing him and move on. He didn't hold Drayton hostage and force him to keep paying him. My problem was that he should have been only a part-time player the last two years. I hope they give Burke the chance to prove himself now that Biggio isn't around. If he doesn't, move on to someone else. Comparing Torre's situation to Biggio makes no sense to me. They are totally different.

[mikeinsa]

I have been placed in the position of having to fire managers for a number of years. There are many books written on how to manage top level talent and I have read a few of them. What I was trained to do and read up on was the "game" that gets played. Step one reduce salary and place more money in incentives, step two reduce the numbers of reports or span of control. Step three bad review, this follows a series of declining reviews. Step four formal performance counseling. Step five a boot in the ass.

Torre was smart enough to leave on step one so it appeared to be on his terms. He would of never made it to spring training. This way the Yankees can put the new king in while not pissing off too badly the old kings cronies. Life goes on.

[vega51]

Chandler, is the SAME situation.

Biggio TOOK A PAY CUT.
Torre was going to take a PAY CUT.

Neither one did good at the end, so they BOTH deserved a pay cut.

Sorry, but is the truth.

[Coach]

I gotta side with Vega on this one. Torre knew what Steinbrenner expects and he didn't get it done. Torre deserved to get a pay cut.

[mikeinsa]

Or to walk away without being fired.

[Coach]

Exactly. I work in the corporate world too. I've seen the same thing go down, as well. In the corporate environment, you usually get the e-mail that says so and so left to pursure new opportunities. New opportunites = leave without getting fired.

[hembo36]

ahaaa coach....... ;D

I can really see both sides of this..On that note he wasnt worth a dmaned until he had a 200 mil payroll.. torres greatest achievement was making 25 prima donnas play baseball with each other..not one team player(outside jeter) on any of his clubs..every player in that city instantly becomes an individual and not concerned about anybody else..