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Post by sadoug on Oct 26, 2007 12:32:47 GMT -5
Carl Everett?....Carl Everett?  ...why not dump him?...he hit well....but not great...and he was an average fielder at best....He was fast, but not a good base runner...He was a problem in the club house...I was very glad when we got rid of him....The only reason he is given any thought at all is that, at the time, he was the only hitter we had producing |
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Post by jbarron on Oct 26, 2007 15:10:41 GMT -5
There were no reports of Carl Everett being a problem while he was with the Astros. The problem in the clubhouse was Derek Bell. Everett's problems were after the Astros traded him.
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Post by chandler44 on Oct 26, 2007 15:49:00 GMT -5
Carl Everett?....Carl Everett? ...why not dump him?...he hit well....but not great...and he was an average fielder at best....He was fast, but not a good base runner...He was a problem in the club house...I was very glad when we got rid of him....The only reason he is given any thought at all is that, at the time, he was the only hitter we had producing The only hitter producing? Carl Everett was here right in the middle of Bagwell & Biggio's primes. Some others that produced in that time were Alou, Speirs, Berry, Bell, Caminiti. |
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Post by jbarron on Oct 26, 2007 21:05:48 GMT -5
I can recall several times when Everett came up with big hits to drive in runs that Bagwell failed to deliver.
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Post by hembo36 on Oct 27, 2007 8:45:43 GMT -5
well he spent 100 mil on carlos lee..there are plenty of guys that do the .300/100rbi/100 runs thing...so what? those #'s are great but not worth 100 mil..not by a long shot..carlos lee could start for any team in baseball but at what cost...imagine getting a couple good players for that or 4 pitchers...The point is he has spent big $ on busts or guys not deserving.....beltran is the only one i can think of in a while he has made an attempt to keep..beltran saw the handwritting on the wall there w/this team
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Post by hembo36 on Oct 27, 2007 9:03:46 GMT -5
btw...Look at the teams in the postseason this year...most of them have home grown guys doing the damage..colorado, arizona, cleveland with San diego and Boston to some extent...even the teams that were close like Milwaukee...colorado and cleveland are almost exclusively made up of talent from within....Im not saying teams shouldnt spend money on free agents. Im saying i think a lot of teams gut their farm systems for the now..many trade the future to compete now and it ends up costing them down the road..astros dont have chit and it will be that way for years
Houston, chicago ,yankees etc.. are made up entirely of guys gotten from somewhere else(for the most part)...wtf? i think jeter was the last good ballplayer the yankees farm system produced...that was what 1992?
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Post by texiban001 on Oct 27, 2007 9:11:32 GMT -5
The lack of a good farm system is the thing that is really going to bite the Astros in the ass. You can improve through free agency but you need good young players to bring up. Look at Hunter Pence. Prime example of a good player from the farm. The Houston area is one of the best places to look for young talent, but the Astros NEVER look in town. They always go to South America or other states. Ridiculous.
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Post by hembo36 on Oct 27, 2007 10:04:13 GMT -5
agreed..They also have a habit of bringing in talent for rent or short time..Look at the guys this team let go..lofton, schilling, abreu, santana, kent, carlos guillen, freddy garcia etc..,..we got kent late in his career but still..lofton was a dominant ballplayer for a decde or so..The list is endless..why didnt they try and get beckett? hometown boy and all...i read the other day nobody wanted him because whoeevr got him had to take lowell as well..
hmmm...who have the astros had in that time frame? wiggy, ensberg and lamb LMAO...i'd rather have lowell
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Post by chandler44 on Oct 27, 2007 11:10:10 GMT -5
astros dont have chit and it will be that way for years Actually, the Astros *do* have some good players in the minors, they're just at the lower levels. At least half of Houston's 25 man roster this year was home grown players. Berkman, Biggio, Ensberg, Lane, Oswalt, Pence, Qualls, Lidge, Wandy, Albers, Burke, Bruntlett..then you got guys like Towles & Anderson. How do you know they didn't try? It's possible that they did try but the two teams didn't match up. Just because a trade isn't completed doesn't necessarily mean the team didn't try. 'Course, maybe they didn't go after him. It's real easy to be a Monday morning quarterback now, but at the time teams were insisting someone take Lowell in the trade he had just come off a horrible season in Florida and was due to make $9M the next couple years. He wasn't exactly a hot commodity at the time. |
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Post by hembo36 on Oct 27, 2007 14:18:10 GMT -5
Like i said..the astros have zero players from the minors..those guys you listed wouldnt play on most teams(outside the obvious ones) pence is about it..biggio,oswalt and berkman of course but those other guys suck..the point was missed..i see other teams have no problem with their homegrown guys being good..why has the astros forever had a weak farm system? maybe that should be addressed? look at the talent weak teams have. florida has produced a number of fine ball players and then dumped them... where are the astros carl crawfords or miguel cabreras?
what happens to all the great college and high schoolers we get? they vanish in the minors...The minor league system of the houston astros sucks and has sucked for years...where did it go?
people are bent out of shape on the colorado deal but none of those guys are great...this may go to what you're talking about chandler..we dont know everything...hirsch was a stud in AAA but it makes you wonder why they took forever to bring him up...it sure as hell didnt have anything to do with that pitching staff being great..they were good but not so good hirsch couldnt be up here...maybe they saw something in him they didnt like? they parted with him in record speed and that strikes me as odd seeing as how he was supposedly the future.
tavares will have to lose the skirt and swing the bat...he cant rely on his speed on those mickey mouse bunts for hits forever, because age will catch up to him. before people jump me im not real big on this guy because i have seen him bounce balls off centerfield walls..he can hit so why the little bunts? he hit one out to the warning track at fenway..the guy can hit..
buch just sucked..that was clear cut..i dont see a problem with losing any of those 3
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Post by hembo36 on Oct 27, 2007 14:22:33 GMT -5
whats 9 mil though, chandler? to get beckett? it would have been worth it if they were making the astros take the bullpen catcher at 9 million along with beckett...you knew beckett was good so wtf? lowell didnt just go to crap he had(as many here say about berkman) a off year.. he has been good since
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Post by chandler44 on Oct 27, 2007 15:10:23 GMT -5
And, like *I* said, you're wrong. Whether or not YOU think they'd play on other teams (and everyone one of those could make other 25 man rosters), the fact is that half of our active roster was homegrown.
The Astros haven't 'forever' had a weak farm system. The system was weakened by a combination of trades and signing FAs that lost us draft picks. Through the first part of this century the team was constantly ranked in the top 10 or so.
Let me get this straight - You're 'clever' enough to realize that the Astros farm system is weaker than it needs to be, yet you don't think the professionals running the team realize it or are trying to address it?
What 'great college and high schoolers' are you referring to?
Hirsh wasn't a stud - he was one of the best ones we had by default. Most that had seen him pitch weren't impressed with him.
Hirsh was drafted in 2003 and spent that year in low A. The next year he spent the whole season in high A where he was good - not great. In 2005 he was in Corpus where he was much better. In 2006 he moved up to Round Rock and got his first taste of MLB action. 3-4 years and then up is not 'taking forever' to bring him up.
The future? He was the future #3-#4 starter maybe.
Have you watched Willy hit? We're talking about a guy with 6 HR and 45 doubles in over 1400 major league at bats. The guy has little to no power. Do you want him to start swinging for the fences?
Out of curiosity, how many bunt hits did he try this year? You're talking about something he probably does 20 times a year as if he does it every at bat. With his blazing speed, it makes perfect sense to try to catch a napping 3b with a well placed bunt. Speed is his weapon - why not use it? It may not be as 'manly' as a single to LF, but as long as he gets on base - that's what matters.
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Post by chandler44 on Oct 27, 2007 15:12:36 GMT -5
whats 9 mil though, chandler? When you're a midmarket team with a high payroll already, you can't afford to take on $9M projects. Why do you think that a team like Boston was able to make the deal? He was about average in 2006, then had a good year in 2007. Funny thing is, Berkman's 'off year' in 2007 was still better than any season Lowell's ever put up. |
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...why not dump him?...he hit well....but not great...and he was an average fielder at best....He was fast, but not a good base runner...He was a problem in the club house...I was very glad when we got rid of him....The only reason he is given any thought at all is that, at the time, he was the only hitter we had producing
