San Diego Hitting Coach

[crashtest]

I heard in passing on Sports Center that the Padres have fired their hitting coach in mid season 2 years in a row now. Let's see, make a REALLY big stadium field dimension-wise. I mean, really big. Look around at other teams in their new little band boxes. Compare stats. Come to the conclusion that, eureka, the hitting coach sucks because your hitting stats aren't as good as everybody else's. Fire the hitting coach. What jacka$$e$.

Speaking of all that and looking at my beautiful Dome Skin, I've got to think that we would have won a WS by now if we had stayed in the Dome, provided that we could have afforded to stay in the Dome. Bill James wrote an article on it - how the Dome demanded team concept baseball. That's why I loved the guys and the teams that played there. That's why I have retired from giving a $hit about the team now.

[Coach]

I heard in passing on Sports Center that the Padres have fired their hitting coach in mid season 2 years in a row now. Let's see, make a REALLY big stadium field dimension-wise. I mean, really big. Look around at other teams in their new little band boxes. Compare stats. Come to the conclusion that, eureka, the hitting coach sucks because your hitting stats aren't as good as everybody else's. Fire the hitting coach. What jacka$$e$.

Well put, what the hell did they expect?

[crashtest]

Isn't it interesting that the run-starved environment at the Astrodome fostered team-concept baseball and cohesiveness. Even a$$holes like Carl Everett had valuable years here.

However, all you seem to get from San Diego is b*tchin' and moanin' about how unfair their hitters think their park is . Same environment, but completely different outcomes. Why? I'll bet it is due to the explosion in salaries since, say, the 1980 Astros. What was Nolan Ryan, the first Million Dollar per year player then? In 1980, it was still possible for a player to make better than average (or league minimum) salary if the TEAM did well. Nowadays, guys want to hit 40 HRs and knock in 130 so they get an El Caballo $100 million contract. Nobody wants to be the guy that bats second behind a guy who walks alot, and then takes a pitch so the guy can steal second and then inside-outs a fastball on the fists to second to adavance the runner to third where he scores on a chop-chop bouncer to short. As much as you might get a reach=around in the dugout for doing that, come contract time, nobody gives a $hit.

So the San Diego players are of a generation, post steroids, mid-band box that gets quite disgruntled at the concept of team ball instead of swatting for the big bucks. How interesting.

[Coach]

So you feel that the players of yester year placed more value on the congratulatory reach-a-round than do these present day money hungry ballplayers.

[Coach]

All attempts at humor aside, you are 100% correct. A baseball team is like 25 different companies doing business under 1 parent company. Each company with different objectives than their sister companies.

[redbaron]

Just imagine how much better baseball would be without a$$h*le agents like Scott Boras and those two goons that represent Clemens and Pettitte.

[crashtest]

crashtest said:

I heard in passing on Sports Center that the Padres have fired their hitting coach in mid season 2 years in a row now. Let's see, make a REALLY big stadium field dimension-wise. I mean, really big. Look around at other teams in their new little band boxes. Compare stats. Come to the conclusion that, eureka, the hitting coach sucks because your hitting stats aren't as good as everybody else's. Fire the hitting coach. What jacka$$e$.

Speaking of all that and looking at my beautiful Dome Skin, I've got to think that we would have won a WS by now if we had stayed in the Dome, provided that we could have afforded to stay in the Dome. Bill James wrote an article on it - how the Dome demanded team concept baseball. That's why I loved the guys and the teams that played there. That's why I have retired from giving a $hit about the team now.

I came across this article after my posts above. Jeesh, did I call it or what?

SAN DIEGO – The struggling Padres changed hitting coaches in midseason for the second straight year, firing Merv Rettenmund on Tuesday and replacing him with former first baseman Wally Joyner.
The popular Rettenmund took the blame for San Diego's anemic offense.



AdvertisementGoing into Tuesday night's game against Arizona, the Padres were hitting .244, tied with the Chicago White Sox for the worst team batting average in the big leagues. Their .312 on-base percentage is second-worst in the NL and only three teams had scored fewer runs. Coincidentally, the move came two days after the Padres beat the Houston Astros 18-11, scoring 11 runs in the first inning. The Padres put up their highest run total in five years and had a season-high 19 hits.

“When you've watched as many games as I have, you have expectations of the players and what they should do, and if they're not doing them, you're not meeting the expectations of the players and front office,” Rettenmund said in a phone interview.

“You expect it, really, when we're not doing well. It's not like a shocker or anything. I didn't feel bad for myself getting fired. I feel bad for the players. They've worked their butts off, but we're not getting the results we should be getting.”

General manager Kevin Towers said he and CEO Sandy Alderson, a former GM of the Oakland Athletics, decided to fire Rettenmund.

“I think it was not as much the numbers but maybe our overall hitters' approach,” Towers said. “We felt we could maybe plan the attack better.”
Leadoff hitter Brian Giles called the firing “unfortunate.”

“Everybody to a man feels like they cost Merv his job,” Giles said. “We feel bad. It's all our fault.”

Giles said the big problem has been lack of situational hitting at spacious Petco Park. “No doubt it's a pitchers' park,” he said. “That's why we have to be such good situational hitters. If not, we're going to be in trouble.”

The Padres hired Rettenmund on June 15, 2006, after firing Dave Magadan.

Towers credited Rettenmund with helping to jump-start the Padres en route to their second straight NL West title last year. Once in the playoffs, though, the Padres hit just .225 in losing to the St. Louis Cardinals in four games. They went 2-for-32 (.063) with runners in scoring position and stranded 35 baserunners.

Rettenmund also was the Padres' hitting coach from 1991-1999.

Joyner was San Diego's first baseman from 1996-99. He served as the team's minor league hitting instructor in 2003 and as a special instructor during spring training from 2004-2007. He was a special assistant to Towers in 2002. The two were teammates at BYU.

Joyner, an extremely popular player (remember Wally World in his rookie season of 1986?) had a .289 career average in parts of 16 big league seasons with the Angels, Royals, Padres and Braves.

“Wally was a very patient hitter when he played,” Towers said. “He was a guy that always knew his strike zone, knew where his strengths were, knew what his weakness were. He always had a lot of confidence. He's a guy I think our players will take to.”

Joyner isn't expected to join the team until Thursday or Friday.

The 64-year-old Rettenmund said this was likely the end of his long baseball career.

“I've enjoyed it for 43 years or whatever,” said Rettenmund, who played in four World Series, winning twice – with the Baltimore Orioles in 1970 and Cincinnati Reds in 1975. “I'd be shocked if I ever, ever, ever, watch another game as a coach.”