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Post by jbarron on Oct 31, 2007 8:12:59 GMT -5
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Post by hembo36 on Nov 1, 2007 17:40:00 GMT -5
I dont know jb....Guys seem to do really well in contract years...i certainly wouldnt do a long term deal on those 2.
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Post by chandler44 on Nov 1, 2007 20:01:50 GMT -5
Certainly not on Rowand.
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Post by mikeinsa on Nov 1, 2007 21:38:01 GMT -5
Hunter would be a good bet. Rowand not so much. He needs to string some good years together before I put major $ down.
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Post by hembo36 on Nov 2, 2007 7:15:12 GMT -5
agreed...Neither are huge upgrades...hunter because he hits pretty good and combined with his defense makes him even better...rowand though? i dont think so....id rather see what jones wants...he has the skills and we know he has the power..plus he hasnt even reached his prime peak...unless he is asking for 100 mil(and he may) i would rather have him
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Post by jbarron on Nov 2, 2007 15:49:24 GMT -5
There has to be a reason other than money as to why the Braves decided not to try to keep Jones. Of the three top centerfielders out there, I'd rather have Hunter.
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Post by hembo36 on Nov 2, 2007 16:27:00 GMT -5
actually i do agree there, jb....although i think the braves have become cheap since new ownership, there may be other issues with jones
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Post by dennis2112 on Nov 2, 2007 18:38:18 GMT -5
I agree, I would want to go after Hunter first.
Now if Jones wanted much less and was out to prove something to the Braves and show them they were wrong, that be worth the risk. A man on a mission can be a good addition to team chemistry.
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Post by hembo36 on Nov 3, 2007 8:21:08 GMT -5
well hunter is good defensively but he isnt jones. Jones has a lot more potential but his hitting of 07 is a concern for sure. especially at 15-20 mil....its too much
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Post by hembo36 on Nov 3, 2007 8:22:23 GMT -5
actually hunter is one of the best fielders in baseball, but i still say jones is still arguably the best.
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Post by mikeinsa on Nov 3, 2007 8:32:29 GMT -5
As has been discussed relative to Jennings, it would be a very good idea for Jones to sign a one or two year deal for reduced money to show everyone he is not washed up at 28. I doubt that anyone would give him a long term deal worth more than 10-12 million a year after the year he had and if can come back with a monster year then his pay check would go up significantly.
In a scenario like that I would think it a great idea for the Astros to sign him. That, getting Everett back and perhaps signing Castillo for second would fix our defense up the middle and would allow two of the best prospects that we have another year or two to mature and take over either cf or rf.
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Post by chandler44 on Nov 3, 2007 11:27:48 GMT -5
Andruw Jones is still a good defensive CF, but he's not as good now at 30 as he was in his middle 20s. He's been playing about 12 years, I wouldn't expect much more improvement out of him at this point. I doubt he'll hit .222 every season, but he's not going to turn into Albert Pujols suddenly.
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Post by mikeinsa on Nov 3, 2007 11:32:52 GMT -5
I do not think he will be the offensive force that he was ever again but last year has to be abnormal. A man does not break down that fast unless he ran out of Bariod's clear and cream.
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Post by hembo36 on Nov 3, 2007 13:39:57 GMT -5
Why do you suppose he will not return to his normal form, chandler? I said the same about berkman(on his way down) but everybody and their brother jumped in on that one...is it the weather down here? guys in Houston are the only ones that can come back after a off year and become Pujols?
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Post by chandler44 on Nov 3, 2007 14:43:07 GMT -5
Andruw's been in the league twelve years already. He's been declining since 2005 (when he was 28) and this year showed little power and horrible average. He was below average offensively this year. Even if he does return to his *normal* form, it'll be ~.265/.345/.500.
Last 5 years:
Jones
03 .277/.338/.513 36hr 116rbi 117 OPS+
04 .261/.345/.488 29hr 91rbi 112OPS+
05 .263/.347/.575 51hr 128rbi 136OPS+
06 .262/.363/.531 41hr 129rbi 126OPS+
07 .222/.311/.413 26hr 94rbi 88OPS+
Berkman
03 .288/.412/.515 25hr 93rbi 138OPS+
04 .316/.450/.566 30hr 106rbi 159OPS+
05 .293/.411/.524 24hr 82rbi 143OPS+
06 .315/.420/.621 45hr 136rbi 163OPS+
07 .278/.386/.510 34hr 102rbi 131OPS+
Berkman may not return to his 2006 numbers, but even so, his 2007 'bad' season was better than any of Andruw Jones' years except for his 2005 50 hr campaign. Berkman's had 8 straight seasons of OPS+ over 130; Jones has had ONE such season in his 12 year career. Most of the time, Jones is a good offensive producer (but a fantastic (though declining) fielder), but he's not been on Berkman's level offensively.
I didn't really mean that Andruw can't 'improve' upon his 2006 season - I don't think he's a .222 hitter. What I meant was that I can't see him suddenly becoming a better hitter at age 31 and beyond then he's ever been thus far in his career - nor will Berkman IMO. I was referring to your point about him having more 'potential'.
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