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Post by crashtest on Dec 14, 2007 17:26:10 GMT -5
Perhaps we ought to give more than lip service to due process, presumption of innonence, the right to face one's accuser, etc. It is very difficult to prove a negative. However, in civil matters, as well as the court of public opinion, there is a less stringent standard - the preponderance of the evidence. Frankly, it is hard to see any of the stars named (Clemens, Tejada, Pettitte, Sheffield, etc) preponderantly working their way out of this pickle.
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Post by dennis2112 on Dec 14, 2007 19:05:31 GMT -5
No need to really do so except for the likes of Clemens or Bonds. Their legacies are at stake since that would be more in the court of public opinion.
As for suspensions, if you have not failed a test, there can be no punishment. Regardless of what that report says for guys like Tejeda, Pettitte, Sheffield. etc.
They just need to stay clean and not respond to it until their playing days are over.
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Post by crashtest on Dec 14, 2007 19:16:52 GMT -5
No need to really do so except for the likes of Clemens or Bonds. Their legacies are at stake since that would be more in the court of public opinion. As for suspensions, if you have not failed a test, there can be no punishment. Regardless of what that report says for guys like Tejeda, Pettitte, Sheffield. etc. They just need to stay clean and not respond to it until their playing days are over. Not exactly correct... Quote: The players — Jay Gibbons of the Orioles and José Guillén, who played for the Mariners last season and is now with the Royals — will serve 15-day suspensions at the start of the 2008 season. Neither Gibbons nor Guillén has tested positive for a banned substance. But each was linked, through documentary evidence, to having received human growth hormone and steroids. The commissioner’s office appears to be signaling how it will deal with players who may be named in Mitchell’s report. The 15-day suspensions to Gibbons and Guillén stand in sharp contrast to the 50-day suspensions players now receive for failing a drug test for the first time. |
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Post by hembo36 on Dec 14, 2007 21:10:25 GMT -5
These guysare cheaters..You know its true because if it wasnt these guys would have been on every talk show calling foul...bonds, pettite, tejada clemens are all douche bags... it doesnt even matter whether its true or not their accomplishments will forever be snickered at....
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Post by dennis2112 on Dec 14, 2007 21:35:24 GMT -5
No need to really do so except for the likes of Clemens or Bonds. Their legacies are at stake since that would be more in the court of public opinion. As for suspensions, if you have not failed a test, there can be no punishment. Regardless of what that report says for guys like Tejeda, Pettitte, Sheffield. etc. They just need to stay clean and not respond to it until their playing days are over. Not exactly correct... Quote: The players — Jay Gibbons of the Orioles and José Guillén, who played for the Mariners last season and is now with the Royals — will serve 15-day suspensions at the start of the 2008 season. Neither Gibbons nor Guillén has tested positive for a banned substance. But each was linked, through documentary evidence, to having received human growth hormone and steroids. The commissioner’s office appears to be signaling how it will deal with players who may be named in Mitchell’s report. The 15-day suspensions to Gibbons and Guillén stand in sharp contrast to the 50-day suspensions players now receive for failing a drug test for the first time. That may be true for them but the evidence they have was through a much more reputable source than the Mitchell report. This is apples to oranges. They got caught with their hands in the cookie jar AFTER the new rules were put in place recently. The Mitchell report itself will have no consequences...just wait and see. If Selig tries it, there will be lawsuits and the player's union will go nuts. |
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Post by crashtest on Dec 14, 2007 22:09:50 GMT -5
dennis, I see your point and you're probably exactly right.
Clemens "punishment" could be that he has to sit out until June 1, and thereafter he can only play in his team's home games .....oh wait, .....been there, done that.
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