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Post by texiban001 on Sept 13, 2007 13:36:28 GMT -5
No, I never said that you were only supposed to be negative here. Some of us are just looking at this team with the blinders off and we see what is wrong. What in the world is wrong with a little honesty? This team sucks and will continue to suck seeing as how they have no farm system to speak of anymore, they have too much money wrapped into too few players and the owner, the former GM and manager are a trio of clowns. See below!.  We don't want anyone to leave as this is a forum to discuss not just the Astros, but baseball and sports in general and EVERYONE has an opinion, but if that is the way you feel there is nothing I can do about it. |
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Post by chandler44 on Sept 13, 2007 15:03:09 GMT -5
You mean what you consider to be your form of honesty? I get what you're saying, but the way you're writing it seems like if you don't agree with the pessimistic view of things, you are 'blind' or not 'right'. Not everyone thinks the sky is falling. I'm very well aware of what's wrong and what issues we have - considering your admitted status as a non-fan, I'd wager that I'm more aware of the problems and the positives of the organization as a whole.
Anyways, the way I see it, you were the one complaining about people being positive first, not the other way around. I don't care how negative you are, I usually just ignore it. But, if me or someone else wants to say otherwise, don't tell us to go post somewhere else. That's not your call.
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Post by texiban001 on Sept 13, 2007 15:21:49 GMT -5
You're right Chandler. Don't forget, the same damned thing applies to your ass as well! You want to be positive, great, but quit getting pissed at those of us who don't wear rose colored glasses or who don't agree with you. We can see all the same stats that you seem to live on, but those stats haven't helped this team do sh*t this year have they? If you are "honest" the answer is no, if you continue to think that the Astros will be better next year, I hope you're right, but I personally don't think they will even be as good as they are now barring a major miracle!
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Post by chandler44 on Sept 13, 2007 15:54:08 GMT -5
You need to read my posts more carefully if you think I'm getting pissed at those of you who are negative all the time or don't agree with me. As I pointed out, it was *you* taking umbrage at people being positive first, NOT the positive people getting mad at you for complaining about everything.
I don't wear rose-colored glasses. I'm well aware of the faults and the problems with this team, likely moreso than you are. Just because I don't piss and moan all the time, that doesn't mean I'm not 'honest'.
You must not understand much about statistics or statistical analysis if you think 'those stats' are supposed to 'help'.
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Post by texiban001 on Sept 13, 2007 16:04:22 GMT -5
Whatever. I am just tired of blind allegiance to a team that does not care about it's fans. Cheer them on if you want. If they start making the right decisions and get some quality players that actually care about winning, then I will attempt to become a fan again. Until then, I will criticize, analyze and not give Draytie one red dime.
As far as the complaining about everything goes, how about you shutting up about people who do not agree with you? All you do is b*tch about barron, AB, hembo and vega because they don't agree with you? Works both ways.
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Post by chandler44 on Sept 13, 2007 16:08:55 GMT -5
Blind allegiance is NO worse than blind b*tching.
So none of their players are quality and none of them care about winning?
You might want to take a bit of your own advice.
Where have I once b*tched about any of those guys because they don't agree with me?
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Post by jbarron on Sept 13, 2007 17:11:01 GMT -5
Most of the players knew that this season was dedicated to getting Biggio his 3,000 hits so he could ride off into the sunset with a great chance to make the Hall of Fame. Then, when the off-season moves proved to be season killers, many of the players said "the hell with it" and went through the motions. We replaced Clemens and Pettitte with Jennings and Woody and killed the starting rotation. We sent Pence to Round Rock after he lead the majors in hitting during Spring Training which further indicated that Purpura was incompetent. They decided Burke was a centerfielder......not a chance! Then, we played utility players full-time most of the season. Loretta has played too much and his hitting began to suffer because of it. He is NO shortstop but we keep playing him there. With Everett out, Bruntlett should have been the the full-time SS. We acquired Wigginton and started benching Lamb......another dumb move. Lamb should not play full-time but he's a better hitter than Wigginton who has produced basically NOTHING power-wise. We MUST re-work the bullpen or we have no chance as long as Qualls and Lidge are our only quality relievers. Yes, Lee has to hustle and Berkman needs to pull his head out of his ass, stop pouting, and playing like the so-called super-star some of you think he is.
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Post by ikedilligas on Sept 13, 2007 17:23:25 GMT -5
You know, I am getting really sick of people standing up for a team that doesn't care about the fans or trying to win games. If you want to go that route, take your asses to the Turdless Punchbowl. That is where all the optimists need to be. I have noticed that no one has posted there in a while now. I guess that you have to keep trying to cram your optimistic views down everyone's throat so that you can claim to be a true fan. Look what that has gotten Cub fan for the last 45 years. From my perspective, the reason there isn't any traffic in the Turdless Punchbowl is that the team has not given us much reason to be optimistic. Hunter Pence is about the only positive we have left for this season anyway. |
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Post by ikedilligas on Sept 13, 2007 17:28:27 GMT -5
Coach created the Turdless Punchbowl for the fans who think everything the Astros do is fantastic and don't want to be subjected to the critical viewpoints of the fans who don't mind stating the truth instead of looking through everything with rose-colored glasses. Those of you who think Bagwell and Biggio crap turds that don't stink, need to go swim around in the Turdless Punchbow. If you can't stand for some of us to post negative opinions, don't read them. garyfan, if you are that thin-skinned, you aren't going to last long on any forum. Have some cheese with your whine. Basically that's right. I would not go so far as to say that the folks who don't want to see the truth should go there. I would say that the folks who want to find positives, even in the midst of a miserable season should go there. To say that someone who is optimistic refuses to see the truth is silly. If there were nothing good about this team then we would be 0-145 with 145 perfect games against us. All the pitchers would have infinite ERA's and all the hitters would have .000 averages. The fact that we have won games and that some players have shown signs of life is a good thing. Now in defense of what JB is saying, if all you want to do is talk about those positives and NOT any of the negative, the go to TPB. Here, you will here critical statements along with the positive. As long as they don't degrade into personal attacks, then they stay here and we all live with it. |
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Post by ikedilligas on Sept 13, 2007 17:35:02 GMT -5
Who is actually going to post in a forum called " Turdless Punchbowl"? I think that is one of the problems. The name Turdless Punchbowl came about in reference to a comment Larry Dierker mde. I believe it was in his book "This ain't brain surgery". I forgot whom he was referring to but he alluded to a player as being like a turn in a punch bowl. Forgive me though if I am mistaken. Maybe the name should change but the idea remains the same. There will be no 'turds' wherther it be posters, or comments allowed. |
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Post by texiban001 on Sept 14, 2007 7:43:53 GMT -5
I have nothing further to say on this subject. There are some people on this site who refuse to see any wrong doing in the management of this franchise, so let them be myopians, I will not.
This transmission ends.....now.
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Post by chandler44 on Sept 14, 2007 8:32:12 GMT -5
There's not a single person on this site who 'refuses' to see any wrong doing in the management, etc. If you really think myself or anyone else has that view, then YOU are the one with the myopic vision, my friend.
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Post by ikedilligas on Sept 14, 2007 9:10:48 GMT -5
I don't refuse to see anything wrong. I can and I do. I just prefer to hold out hope that the good will emerge. In any game, any inning, any at bat, any pitch, the good can emerge.
That is what makes this game so great to me.
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Post by texiban001 on Sept 14, 2007 11:27:57 GMT -5
Believe me, I wish that I could be optimistic, but when you se the mistakes that this organization has made over the last year, it does not leave much room for an optimistic outlook.
How long do you think it will take to rebuild the farm system?
What do they have to trade for GOOD prospects?
What do they have to trade for GOOD players?
Will Berkman get off to a good start next year instead of waiting until after the AS break?
Will Pence play well next year or hit the proverbial sophomore wall?
I just do not have a good feeling about what is going to happen. Let's see who gets hired as GM and if McLame will let him do his job or will he be a yes man?
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Post by dennis2112 on Sept 14, 2007 12:40:32 GMT -5
Believe me, I wish that I could be optimistic, but when you se the mistakes that this organization has made over the last year, it does not leave much room for an optimistic outlook. How long do you think it will take to rebuild the farm system? What do they have to trade for GOOD prospects? What do they have to trade for GOOD players? Will Berkman get off to a good start next year instead of waiting until after the AS break? Will Pence play well next year or hit the proverbial sophomore wall? I just do not have a good feeling about what is going to happen. Let's see who gets hired as GM and if McLame will let him do his job or will he be a yes man? This is just an observation on my part but why do you root for a team that in your opinion is so horribly run and has no hope for success? I am not saying that you have to believe one way or another but if it is so blatantly obvious that the Astros have messed up so badly, why do you get upset when other people see light at the end of the tunnel. I can certainly understand your emotions and anger but it seems a little out of whack. I know and understand that this team has problems. Problems that will not easily be fixed but I am a glass is half full type of person and I believe that the mew GM will get it fixed or at least get the ship moving in the right direction. Drayton may do some silly and ridiculous things but he really deos care about winning, which is evident by the 3rd best winning % in the majors since he took over the Astros. Maybe you don't remember the days before Drayton took over..I do and I am glad he is here. |
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