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Post by vega51 on Sept 13, 2007 8:35:36 GMT -5
how dumb was our organization by pitching Patton SO MUCH in the minors THIS YEAR?  ?/ That i was worried about the innings? //// Well, Pattons is having elbow problems because he pitched TOO MANY INNINGS. Wow, this organization is a joke. |
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Post by texiban001 on Sept 13, 2007 10:00:09 GMT -5
Par for the course. I guess it is no surprise that this happened. Everything that the Lastros do these days just turns to sh*t.
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Post by chandler44 on Sept 13, 2007 11:04:27 GMT -5
164 innings pitched in a season is too many innings? I call b.s. on that one.
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Post by vega51 on Sept 13, 2007 11:11:49 GMT -5
sorry, wrong, he has 164 because LATELY he has not pitched much especially siince called to the majors.
And is 164 NOW because he will not pitch for 3 weeks, meaning, at least 15 more innings IF HEALTHy, meaning, 180 innings plus the innings NOT PITCHED because he was in the majors and not pitching FREQUENTLY.
I say 150 is enough, Astros had this poor kid going in a rate of 180-200 inings, THAT IS SAVAGE.
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Post by chandler44 on Sept 13, 2007 11:15:09 GMT -5
No, it's not wrong, it's just a difference in opinion. He pitched about 150 innings in the minors before coming up. That's not a huge number, nor is it savage. He pitched about that many last year, so jumping up to 180-200 is not a big jump.
Besides, the number of innings pitched doesn't mean nearly as much as how many pitches he's thrown. Have you watched him pitch? Is there anything about his motion that indicates to you that he's going to wear down quickly with a lot of usage? I personally don't see anything in his pitching motion that looks especially bad as far as his mechanics go.
If he's having elbow problems, they weren't caused by him pitching 150 innings in the minors this year.
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Post by jbarron on Sept 13, 2007 11:28:22 GMT -5
My guess is that we are seeing more pitchers developing arm problems because of poor mechanics and because they don't follow the proper workout routine. I'm afraid that not as much attention is bieng paid to conditionng as is necessary. You used not to hear of all of these torn rotator cuffs, torn ligaments in the elbow, etc. Pitchers used to workout in the off-season and do weights during the season. Nolan Ryan worked out constantly during the seasn and he pitched in the majors for 27 years with few injuries and NO surgeries. These pitchers.........and other players.......are having so many pulled and torn hamstrings and oither injuries mostly due to improper conditioning.
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Post by chandler44 on Sept 13, 2007 11:52:54 GMT -5
I agree with that JB.
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Post by texiban001 on Sept 13, 2007 13:03:14 GMT -5
Well said JB.
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Post by 03flht2 on Sept 13, 2007 18:18:06 GMT -5
JB your right on that and now the Yankee's are training Chamberlain to be a pitcher eyer other day or three if he pitches two innings. No wonder a pitcher cant pitch like they use to. Its all in the training.
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Post by hembo36 on Sept 13, 2007 18:26:08 GMT -5
i agree jb...back in the day there was 3 or 4 starters and a reliever...now you have a few inning killers, a late inning guy, a set up guy and a closer..wtf? I dont think guys like bob gibson or tom seaver were hurt much...now guy can barely make it to the all star break w/o pulling something that has 40 syllables
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Post by vega51 on Sept 19, 2007 10:48:18 GMT -5
It's good to know that what we thought was going on was going on," Patton said. "It kind of puts my mind at ease a little bit. They said it was most likely because of the workload."
I WAS SAYING THIS 3 MONTH AGO.
AND LADIES AND GENTLEMEN OF THE JURY, I REST MY CASE.
By the way, Yankees are almost in first place.
Cubbies are in first place.
AND LADIES AND GENTLEMEN OF THE JURY, I REST MY CASE.
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Post by chandler44 on Sept 19, 2007 11:16:13 GMT -5
No, you said he threw too many innings. That has nothing to do with it. The problem a pitcher runs into is when he throws too many *pitches*. Do you have any idea how many pitches he threw this year in the minors? That would be much more important to know than the number of innings he's pitched.
You keep saying that his number of innings pitched is too much, but if 150-180 INNINGS is too much , then we got problems.
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Post by vega51 on Sept 19, 2007 11:36:12 GMT -5
164 because he was SHOT DOWN WITH A MONTH TO GO.
That is toooooooo many.
Well, i said that, and NOW THEY ARE SAYING THE PROBLEM WAS THE "WORKLOAD" so you can say WHATEVER YOU WANT, spin it anyway you wanted, BUT THEY ARE SAYING RIGHT NOW what i said 3 months ago.
SORRY, BUT THATS THE TRUTH.
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Post by chandler44 on Sept 19, 2007 11:40:19 GMT -5
No, it's not the truth. You've said innings, and that's not the problem. Just throwing 164 innings with a month to go is NOT too many. If he can't handle 164 regular innings, he's not going to be much use as a ML starter. If, however, those 164 innings were high pitch count innings, then you have a point.
What is more germane to the conversation would be how many pitches he's thrown, or do you not understand the difference between the two?
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Post by vega51 on Sept 19, 2007 11:54:01 GMT -5
Dude, they say WORKLOAD, and workload is INNINGS.
And remember, it was 164 innings with a month and a half to go, MEANING, HE PITCHED A LOT AT THE BEGINNING.
Ladies and Gentlemen of the Jury, I rest my case.
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