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Post by vega51 on Sept 23, 2007 22:06:25 GMT -5
Barron, is that true statement or not?  ??/ Biggio has done a lot of harm toward this organization for the past 3 years because he wanted to get 3,000 hits. Forget about Burke, we could have Kent playing second for us. Chandler, when you hit 1st or 2nd, i go with OBP first. If Tavares could get .360 to .380 OBP for us, I WOULD HAD BEEN HAPPY WITH THAT. Sorry, but OBP is THE MOST IMPORTANT STAT IF YOU ARE HITTING 1ST OR 2ND. Chandler, would you be kind enough and tell me the OBP for Biggio in the last 2 years? ?? And for the record, I THINK ROSE IS A BETTER PLAYER THAN BIGGIO. |
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Post by chandler44 on Sept 23, 2007 22:20:22 GMT -5
Chandler, when you hit 1st or 2nd, i go with OBP first. Vega, when you play 1b, you're expected to hit for power. Rose didn't do that at all over the last several years of his career. What about those 200 or so ab in 1985 when he hit 3rd? Fixed it for you. Just as soon as A. you tell me why you can't lookup numbers yourself and B. you tell me what Biggio has to do with a Pete Rose in the Hall discussion. He doesn't, of course. This is another reason why people give you so much grief: you're so obsessed with that dismal ball player Chris Burke that you use EVERY SINGLE THREAD as a chance to attack Biggio and cry about Burke not playing. Get over it already. For some reason you can't seem to figure out what the rest of the world already has -- Burke is simply not a very good baseball player. Watching you hijack thread after thread after thread to cry about Biggio has been excruciating. If not for guys like Coach, JB, TBone, AB, and others that I like around here -- I'd have been long gone by now. Even Hembo changes his tune from time to time, but from you all year long it's been complaining about A. Biggio B. trading for Jennings and C. not re-signing Pettitte. |
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Post by sadoug on Sept 23, 2007 22:27:34 GMT -5
Rose could hit....but he was strictly a 1 demensional player...he was at best below average as a fielder wherever he played
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Post by vega51 on Sept 23, 2007 22:29:30 GMT -5
Chandler, would you be kind enough and give me the OBP of Biggio in the last 2 years? ??/ Thanks |
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Post by astrobuddy on Sept 23, 2007 22:44:02 GMT -5
Biggio's OBP has been horrible the last few years. But what does Biggio have to do with Rose and the HOF.
Why is every single discussion in this forum to which you get involved evolve into a " How Bad Biggio has been" ?? Just let it go.... He is gone in a few games and for that matter, Purpura is already gone.
Just let it go....
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Post by Coach on Sept 24, 2007 8:53:12 GMT -5
I wouldn't let Rose in either. Sit down and read the Dowd report one day. Rose was a degenerate gambler who put his addiction ahead of his friends and the game.
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Post by Coach on Sept 24, 2007 8:55:37 GMT -5
JB, with the exception of Biggio = Woody, I don't see where Vega is wrong. Biggio did hang on too long here. I would have rather had Jeff Kent for the last 3 years than Craig Biggio.
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Post by tbone421998 on Sept 24, 2007 9:11:15 GMT -5
The problem here Coach is that this thread had nothing to do with Biggio, Woody, or Kent. This is about rather Pete Rose should be in the HOF. He shouldn't be IMHO.
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Post by jbarron on Sept 24, 2007 9:23:29 GMT -5
JB, with the exception of Biggio = Woody, I don't see where Vega is wrong. Biggio did hang on too long here. I would have rather had Jeff Kent for the last 3 years than Craig Biggio. I agree that Biggio has hung on for too long but not 3 years worth. He should have been a bench player for the last three years but he was fairly productive until the All-Star break of last season. |
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Post by Coach on Sept 24, 2007 10:06:43 GMT -5
Fairly productive doesn't cut it these days. Our team needs to make decisions based on production not sentimental reasons. Biggio was allowed to play the fan's love me card on more than 1 occasion.
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Post by texiban001 on Sept 24, 2007 11:21:21 GMT -5
I don't think too much of Pete Rose either but it was nice of him to hook up Crash's son.
HOF? I look at it 2 ways. As far as I know, he didn't gamble while he was playing and his stats warrant his being in the HOF as a player. As for him gambling as a manager, he f**ked up and that screwed him so he has to live with the consequences of his decision.
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Post by crashtest on Sept 24, 2007 18:42:39 GMT -5
What is the worst case scenario of Pete Rose betting on baseball when he was manager of the Reds? --- That his strategy would be altered away from giving his team the best of winning to giving himself the best chance to make money. Now, somebody please explain to me how that is one iota diffferent than what Drayton did to us while shilling Craig's pursuit of 3k.
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Post by chandler44 on Sept 24, 2007 18:58:01 GMT -5
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Post by crashtest on Sept 24, 2007 19:19:38 GMT -5
Exactly. I've read that before and it was what I was thinking about when it dawned on me that there was no ethical difference between Pete Rose and Drayton McLane. |
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Post by chandler44 on Sept 24, 2007 19:40:59 GMT -5
Well, actually there's a huge difference between a guy knowingly violating Rule 21a and getting permanently banned and McLane, but I really don't see a point in arguing it with you, so knock yourself out if that's what you want to think.
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