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Post by 03flht2 on Sept 30, 2007 15:10:45 GMT -5
Well it looking official on the Collapse as the Mets are losing 8-1 in eighth and Philly is winning but the Mets still had a chance to be in the playoffs as the Brewers are beating the Fathers 6-4 but that team laid down and died no heart today. They suck and deserve this crushing defeat it will be unsufferable with the Sorry Yankee fans in the area though.
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Post by jamesa46 on Sept 30, 2007 16:10:05 GMT -5
This is the biggest choke since the collapse of the 1964 Phillies. Ironically, it is the Phillies who are at the other end of the spectrum this time and win the NL East title on the last day of the season thanks to this historical collapse by the Mutts.
The Mets GM Omar Minaya was so determined to turn the Mets into the Peurto Rican All-Stars that he forgot that it also takes a good bullpen to win consistently in this league. Maybe Mets owner Fred Wilpon will think twice about giving an open-ended check book to a glorified scout who's brain long ago atrophied from dozing off in the Montreal Expos front office for 5 years..
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Post by vega51 on Sept 30, 2007 17:30:16 GMT -5
I think Minaya did his job well, it was the players that did not perform.
The bullpen was not that bad, but Minaya made a mistake trading Bell.
They have 3 good relievers, Wagner, Heilman and Feliciano, Bell as the number 4 would had made the bullpen very good.
Rookie Smith was not that bad either.
The pitching was not that bad after all, with Glavine, Hernandez, Martinez, Maine and Perez.
They don't have a number 1 starter, but they have 3 or 4 number 2 or 3 starters, with that offense it should had been good enough.
This one goes to the manager and players because they had the players to win.
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Post by astrobuddy on Sept 30, 2007 18:26:12 GMT -5
Wonder how ole Beltran feels? I guess he should be used to not going to the playoffs with all that time spent in KC. He should have stayed in Houston.
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Post by crashtest on Sept 30, 2007 19:42:33 GMT -5
What goes around, comes around - albeit with the periodicity of a Uranian solar cycle. How deliciously fitting for the Phightin's to have been on the celebratory side, and the Phuckin's to be wallowing in despair.
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Post by hembo36 on Sept 30, 2007 19:43:03 GMT -5
you're right on this ab..They sure screwed it up...this is one of he greatest failures in the history of baseball..i saw some stat earlier to where very few teams have ended up out of the playoffs after leading that late in september...i still say randolph is gone
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Post by hembo36 on Sept 30, 2007 19:45:56 GMT -5
No major league team had owned a lead of seven games or more with 17 to play and failed to finish in first place. New York, which had that margin on Sept. 12, matched the largest lead blown in September. The 1938 Pittsburgh Pirates (Sept. 1) and 1934 New York Giants (Sept. 6) also led by seven games in the final month only to tailspin.
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Post by astrobuddy on Sept 30, 2007 19:47:43 GMT -5
But Vega is right also... this is on the players too. The Mets spent a TON of money on these guys and they failed in the clutch, hell it was even clutch. They had it.
But Glavine has been showing his age and Pedro just isnt Pedro anymore and probably wont be again.
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Post by crashtest on Sept 30, 2007 19:54:51 GMT -5
No major league team had owned a lead of seven games or more with 17 to play and failed to finish in first place. New York, which had that margin on Sept. 12, matched the largest lead blown in September. The 1938 Pittsburgh Pirates (Sept. 1) and 1934 New York Giants (Sept. 6) also led by seven games in the final month only to tailspin. We had a helluva end run last year and almost caught the World Champs to be Cardinals. Anybody remember the lead they had? It was something like 7 games with 10 to play wasn't it? |
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Post by hembo36 on Sept 30, 2007 19:56:46 GMT -5
i dont know crash..i just C & p'd what yahoo sports was saying so i'll go with 7 and 17 until something else comes along...
ab, its usually the players fault but what are they going to do? trade reyes and beltran? the manager goes before the stars
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Post by crashtest on Sept 30, 2007 20:11:11 GMT -5
On 9/20/2007, the Cards awoke to find themselves with a record of 80-69 with 13 games to play after beating the Brewers 12-2. That day, we awoke to find ourselves 72-78 after losing to the Reds 5-4 with 12 games to play. The Cards had an 8.5 game lead. Thereafter, we won 9 in a row while the Cards lost 8 out of 9. After play on 9/28, the Cards had a record of 81-77 while we stood at 81-78, a mere .5 games behind. Two of the greatest collapses in history have thus occurred in consecutive years. If we had pulled it off, the Cards' collapse would have been the worst in history.
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Post by hembo36 on Sept 30, 2007 21:39:04 GMT -5
thats too much to really get into..lets just say both are equally dubious achievements
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