Biggio whining about being dropped to 6th

[astrobuddy]

Vega... it couldnt be Kent. He didnt want to play here. The Astros didnt trade him or release him. He agreed to a deal and then took another one at the last minute. The Astros had a deal with him, he backed out.

[predator]

HEY BARRON
f**k YOU VERY MUCH
YA f**kIN LOOSER

[astrobuddy]

wow... now this.

[redbaron]

predator said:

HEY BARRON
f**k YOU VERY MUCH
YA f**kIN LOOSER

It's always nice to know that there is a lunatic on the loose.

[predator]

GO BACK TO THE ICE HOUSE AND LICK YOUR NUT'S
LIKE THE DOG YOU ARE

[vega51]

Astrobbuyd, i ALREADY explain to you the situation with Kent, IT WAS THE CLUB THAT DID NOT PICK THE OPTION, it was NOT Kent.

If you don't want to understand because you want TO DEFEND MANAGEMENT, that is your prerrogative.

[chandler44]

They should have picked up the option. THe $ difference between the option and the deal they offered was only like $1-3 million overall, so why take a chance? If they're willing to pay $5+ million this year to Biggio to suck, why not give Kent the extra money?

[crashtest]

notdead,

Well put. I b*tched and moaned when Craig did not get an MVP in his prime. I b*tched and moaned when I thought he'd get stiffed at Hall of Fame time. I cheered when I read that Bill James thought he was one of the top three to five 2Bs of ALL TIME. A couple of years ago, I had thought that he should be a FIRST TIME BALLOT HoFer --- which is about the only way to distinguish the "top-shelf" greats from the Phil Rizzuto's. Like you said, I think he is lowering his value by hanging around for this meaningless quest for 3K. About all that is going to show is that he was able to blow enough smoke up an owner's ass that he could stay on a roster long enough to do it. Twenty seasons at 150 hits per season = 3,000 hits -----BFD! Hell, Burke probably could have given you TEN seasons of 150 hits per. "Biggio, the consummate team player. Here we have a man who came thiiiis close to the dream of 3,000 hits, but gave it up because he knew to pursue it would destroy the very chemistry of his beloved Astros. Biggio would never have thought of putting silly personal accomplishments ahead of team goals. For to do so would have meant to have stuck a 2B in CF, batting 6th instead of first. That in turn, would have meant keeping a terrific rookie down on the farm instead of putting up a Rookie of the Year season in CF." ...... We'll NEVER hear THAT as a HoF intro speech!

It is Biggio's fault for not going up to Drayton and Garner and saying, "Look, y'all and I know that I'm not a lead-off hitter anymore. Put me in batting 6th in front of the black hole --- I'll strike out on that slider in the dirt just as well there as leading off. I still have doubles power and that will drive in guys like Berkman and Lee who are sure to get on base a lot ahead of me. I'm not going to try to draw any walks or get HBPs anymore, so what is the sense of me leading off?" A free swinging bat like that is better in the 6-hole. What good is it going to do to draw a walk ahead of Wingnut or Ausmus. That is just a pop-up and a GIDP away from three outs and leading off with the pitcher.

[chandler44]

crashtest said:

Like you said, I think he is lowering his value by hanging around for this meaningless quest for 3K.

Biggio's far from being the first HOF player to stay on past his prime chasing a certain number. He certainly won't be the last, either.

[crashtest]

"Biggio's far from being the first HOF player to stay on past his prime chasing a certain number. He certainly won't be the last, either".

Well, antemortem bronze statues are usually reserved for those demi-gods who are far above mere mortals like us. You know, guys who wouldn't THINK of putting personal goals ahead of "THE TEAM". Face it, Biggio is nothing but an egotistical putz just like all the rest. His character is/was nothing special. "Astros baseball" is/was just a fraud, a mirage that was pleasant enough to look at and admire when the bronze statues were being cast in mid-day but vanishes as the sun sets.

[astrobuddy]

Vega.. I understand that. Like Chandler said.. they should have picked up the option. But they didnt just let him go, they did try and sign him and in fact had a deal that Kent backed out on.

Hun was GM then also.

[predator]

CAN YOU BLAME HIM FOR BACKING OUT ON THE CHUMP DEAL

[vega51]

Not true, you said "Kent did not wanted to play for the Astros"

Now that Chandler told you then you back out of your statement, but i told you 3 or more times before about the Astros NOT PICKING THE CONTRACT so it was the Astros, not Kent.

Then Dodgers offered a 2 year deal, Astros only one, where do you think he goes after that? It was not Kent's fault, IT WAS MANAGEMENT, WHY?? Because they wanted BIGGIO AT 2ND AND NOT KENT, easy.

[chandler44]

crashtest said:

Well, antemortem bronze statues are usually reserved for those demi-gods who are far above mere mortals like us.

Just curious, but what does that have to do with my point? Sure he's hanging on too long, but plenty of guys (say hi, Pete!) have done so. Not quite sure how bringing up the statues that he had no control over really answers what I was saying. Actually, not quite sure what your point is.

Astros baseball is/was just a fraud, a mirage that was pleasant enough to look at and admire when the bronze statues were being cast in mid-day but vanishes as the sun sets.

So all these years we haven't really been watching baseball games, they've been fakes? Seriously though, this whole thing is just silly. Because Biggio continues to play and think he can contribute and the team continues to play him, that means that the decades of being a well respected organization across the board were all 'fake'?? You love to deal in hyperbole, don'tcha?

[astrobuddy]

Vega.. If he wanted to play for the Astros he would be an Astro. YOu are saying the same thing I am saying.

Yes, of course it is managements fault for not picking up the option. Period!


If they wanted Biggio and didnt want Kent, why did they have a deal agreed upon with him? WHY?