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Post by redbaron on Jun 1, 2007 22:38:55 GMT -5
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Post by Coach2 on Jun 1, 2007 23:24:01 GMT -5
I saw it on Sports Center just now. Laughed my a$$ off.
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Post by astrobuddy on Jun 2, 2007 3:11:40 GMT -5
The Cubs organization has to be one of the worst in MLB right now.
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Post by vega51 on Jun 2, 2007 10:58:58 GMT -5
well, is astros continue this way with Purp as GM we are going to be there in the next 2 or 3 years.
At least they have more and better prospects than us.
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Post by astrobuddy on Jun 2, 2007 12:00:40 GMT -5
They do?? How so ?? They have had the top golden children prospects for decades because of all the top draft picks they get from all the losing. They hasnt gotten them where? NOTHING. Wood, Prior, Zambrano all trash. Even Dontrelle Willis isnt what he was supposed to be. His stats are getting worse every year.
Prospects are just that .. prospects. They have potential. Now, dont get me wrong, I would rather have what the Cubs system has. But I would rather win like the Astros have in the past than be a losing team and have a great farm system.
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Post by vega51 on Jun 2, 2007 12:56:22 GMT -5
we are talking about future, meaning, astros with a weak system and a bad GM is going to be as bad, if not worse than the Cubbies.
Now, you are saying that you prefer to have what we have over what they have, lets see.
C Barrett vs Ausmus, i take Barrett
1b Lee vs Berkman, TIED.
2B Theriot vs Biggio, Theriot
3b Ramirez vs Ensberg, Ramirez
SS Everett vs Izturis, Everett
LF Lee vs Soriano Lee
cf Jones vs Pence Pence
rf Floyd/Murton vs Scott Floyd/Murton
So, 4 to Cubs, 1 tied, 3 Astros
Rotation:
1. Zambrano vs Oswalt Oswalt
2. Jennings vs Hill Hill
3. Woody vs Lilly Lilly
4. Wandy vs Marquis Marquis
5. Sampson vs Guzman Guzman
Relievers, i go with top 3 astros, lower 4, cubs
Cubs have a better manager than us, plus, better minor league.
Yes, you are talking in the past, but I AM TALKING ABOUT THE FUTURE, i don't care about the past.
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Post by astrobuddy on Jun 2, 2007 13:18:32 GMT -5
Vega.. I was quite clear I would take thier farm system over ours.
But where has that great system gotten them??? Nothing! Because they are more flawed in their management than the Astros. The Cubs have had this "FUTURE" for decades and have done nothing with it. NOTHING.
Pinella is better?? Based on what? He is just another sideshow manager.
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Post by vega51 on Jun 2, 2007 13:24:21 GMT -5
Are you saying Garner is better than Piniella?  |
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Post by vega51 on Jun 2, 2007 13:29:20 GMT -5
Where??? Well, nowhere but they had Prior and Wood injured.
Imagine the Astros with Oswalt injured.
Multiply that by 2.
That kind of injury can kill an organization.
Well, imagine if Oswalt and Patton are unable to pitch after 4 or 5 years pitching in the majors.
Just imagine that team if they had Wood, Prior, Zambrano all healthy.
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Post by astrobuddy on Jun 2, 2007 13:40:35 GMT -5
My point is Vega.... They were over-valued and over used by the organization. Prior was labeled the perfect pitcher. It turns out he has horrible mechanics and wasnt going to last long anyway. Zambrano/ Wood/Willis the same thing.
They are a bad organization.
Managers as a whole are an overrated part of the game in my opinion. Thats why I liked Dierker. He let the guys play and didnt do any work until he had too. Dierker put his best players on the field and sat his butt down. He wasnt perfect either, but none of them are.
Just imagine if the Astros had Oswalt, Santana, Carlos Hernandez Clemens and Pettitte along with a still healthy Jeff Bagwell , Jeff Kent at 2nd, Beltran in CF, Lance in LF, Pence in RF, Buck at Catcher and on and ON and on..
What ifs and can you imagines arent whats real.
The Cubs destroyed Wood, Prior and Zambrano is close behind.
Pinella is a punk as well. His childish angry routine has run its course. These players dont get "fires" lit under their asses by a screaming manager. They could give a sh*t about Pinella. They make more money and they are assets. The players know Pinella gets fired WAAAAY before they do.
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Post by vega51 on Jun 2, 2007 13:44:06 GMT -5
So you are saying Garner is better than Piniella?
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Post by astrobuddy on Jun 2, 2007 13:53:52 GMT -5
I dont think that most of them are better than others. There are a few that have a knack for making the right move. But Pinella isnt one of them. He is just another guy who gets managerial jobs. Garner isnt better or worse. Just like Torre... Who couldnt manage that team? Well.. he isnt doing so good this season is he. Why? The talent level dropped.
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Post by vega51 on Jun 2, 2007 13:54:32 GMT -5
You are saying Torre is not a good manager?
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Post by astrobuddy on Jun 2, 2007 13:59:34 GMT -5
He is a good manager. But what does he really have to do? Make up a lineup card and sit his ass down?
Big deal. There is no strategy in the AL. No Double switches etc etc.. So No.. he isnt that great. What did he do before the $200 million Yankees ?? In 15 years as a manager before coming to the Yankees his teams never won more than 89 games in a season and he finshed 1st 1 time with the Braves. The same team that won 89 games.
So.. whats so special about Torre or Pinella??
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Post by vega51 on Jun 2, 2007 14:05:30 GMT -5
They are good managers, same with Larussa.
Look at games any you'll see how they make (usually) right moves while look at the Astros and you have to scratch your head with the bone moves we make.
Also, players respect the manager because he puts the best players to play.
Piniella was very good with Seattle, Cincy and even with Tampa that team was more competitive than before.
Torre, well, he is going to be a Hall of Fame manager but you still question his ability as a manager.
Well, i remember inthe past you question Larussa, so it does not surprise me.
Now, for the record, i don't remember the last time a manager form Houston outmanaged Larussa in a game.
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