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[vega51]

really?
who has more hits? homers? doubles? steals? average? triples? slugging?

Do you realize that berkman is ONLY winning on OBP because he WALKS MORE??//

sO, beRKMAN is only winning in walks. Are you that blind?/////

[chandler44]

That coors effect is bullsh*t

Wow. Just wow.

[astrobuddy]

Vega... what part of 11 to 8 do you not understand??? Vlad has 3 more full seasons than Berkman has. Of course he has more in those catagories.

Freaking unbelievable how stubborn you are.

"Berkman only has more walks because he walks more"

WOW... what a genious. There wouldnt be another reason would there>>?? LMAO.

Vlad doesnt happen to have more Homers, DBls and triples etc etc because he 2000 more AB's does he?

WOW.

[vega51]

Well dude, what do you want me to tell you, DON'T COUNT THOSE 3 YEARS?/

I will.

And for that matter, he is ahead on ALL CATEGORIES except obp.

THATS THE TRUTH, SORRY IF IT HURTS.

[astrobuddy]

Yea... I guess OBP and Walks dont matter because it doesnt serve your argument.

Berkman has a higher career OPS.
Berkman walks more.
Berkman has a higher OBP.
Berkmans SLG is only .20 behind Vlads.

After 7 full years here is where the HR, DBL and Triples stats are...... ( I didnt count 8 because this season isnt finished yet)

Berkman- 221 HR's, 256 DBLS, 18 TRPs

Vlad - 233 HR's , 226 DBLs, 31 TRPs

So pretty damn close. They are very very close players. Vlad has better numbers because he has played longer. Vlad was playing in the minors when Berkman was in College getting a degree. Vlad is supposed to be 31, but being from the DR who knows how old he really is. He is probably closer to 35.

Vlad and Berkman are very similar hitters. They are both outstanding at what they do and far and away better than most of the league. Give Berkman the same amount of AB's as Vlad and his stats would be right there with him. It is silly to say otherwise.

[vega51]

lol, first year guerrero had 27 at bats.
SEcond, first year for guerrero he was 21 year old guy.

Lol, so you are using the first 7 YEARS from a guy starting at 21 with another guy starting at 24, lmao


You are funny.


Can you see that there is the DIFFERENCE. Future Hall of Famers start doing great thing at 21 and 22? Example, Biggio, Bagwell, Pujols

Vlad and BErkman are both 31, so we should expect those two to retire at about the same time.

Berkman will NEVER catch Vlad.

Now, if Vlad was 35 then i wouls say otherwise but he is even YOUNGER by 5 month than Berkman.

Sorry, but thats the truth.

DO NOT COMPARE VLAD AND BERKMAN BECAUSE IS STUPID, really.

Then again, you TRIED and make same kind of example with Ensberg and Arod and before that between PUjols and Berkman.

[vega51]

Now he is accusing Vlad for being 35, lmao

That is FUNNY STUFF.

Dude, after 9/11 there is no way you can get into the USA with a false passport. And with Vlad hitting .326 this year he does not look like he is 35, now, Berkman hitting .280 does look like a 35 year old dude.

[hembo36]

i cant be bothered to actually look but i guarantee you he isnt 35..i was thinking 30 maybe 32

[astrobuddy]

Vega... 9/11 was in 2001. Vlad has been here since at least 1993, long before 9/11. I didnt say Vlad was 35. I just stated a fact that guys who came from Latin Counties lied about their age and this is NO secret. You can pretend it didnt happen but it did.

So a 35 year old player cant hit .325 Where is that written???

Hembo.. he is listed at 31, but who knows.

[vega51]

and they caught all the guys thanks to 9/11.

Actually, YOU MADE THE SAME "arguement" against Pujols.

[jbarron]

vega51 said:

nor is BErkman, Vlad IS.

Vega, let's don't put Vladimir Guerrero in t he Hall just yet. Up until this season, he and Berlman were neck and neck. Right now, neither is a HOF player.

No racial thing intended but you are beginning to sound like that any Latin player is the greatest that has ever been at his position. Just an observation.

[vega51]

Noooooooooooo Barron, no way.

Vlad is a career .325 hitter, how many hitters are in that category???

SAme age, one is already going for 400 homers, the other 300.

One is going 400 doubles, the other, 300.

One is going for 200 steals, teh other, 47.

One has over 1,100 rbi's, the other one is in the 800's.

One was a 5 tool player, the other one, 3 at most.

One had one of best arm in baseball.

Berkman is not in the same league with Vlad.


Barron, please, don't start any racial sh*t, because the player i MOST DEFEND IS BURKE AND HE IS WHITE.

[vega51]

And sorry if Pujols, Arod and Guerrero are hispanics, and Bonds is black, but right now THEY ARE THE BEST FROM THE BEST.

Don't look at the skin, look at performances, thats what i do.

[astrobuddy]

Bonds hasnt been the best anything except in cheating in a couple of years now.


Vega.... Berkman will have those stats too when he has played as many years as Vlad. Vlad has 3 seasons on Lance.

Vega.. dont play the race card. Even that is beneath you. JB is just making an observation like I did a while back. It isnt racist.

[hembo36]

ab...i will bet you berkman isnt a lifetime .325 hitter he has only hit .300 a few times how will this happen?