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Post by hembo36 on Oct 6, 2007 12:18:19 GMT -5
ab..wtf? what kind of logic is that?  |
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Post by astrobuddy on Oct 6, 2007 12:37:54 GMT -5
Great pitching stops great hitters? That logic? You have never heard that?
JB.. they won the NL pennant. Thats what counts. The WS is nice, but those Yankees teams were great. You cant say they werent good because the Yankees won.
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Post by chandler44 on Oct 6, 2007 12:43:19 GMT -5
whats that .478 stat? slugging? if those are his averages over 3 playoff appearances i seriously question it Question it if you want, but here's the facts: (after last night the slugging is now .464). Alex Rodriguez Stats |
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Post by chandler44 on Oct 6, 2007 12:44:50 GMT -5
Er, Chandler.........did you read that? I don't know if it's all his fault that ARod has never played in the WS but, he sure hasn't done anything to help the cause. He sucks worse than I thought in post-season play. Er JB why don' t you take a look at his playoff stats as a whole and not a small number of them? Judging a player by his playoff stats is questionable to begin with; only judging him by 1/3 of them is downright silly. |
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Post by chandler44 on Oct 6, 2007 12:45:35 GMT -5
Im not calling him out but im interested in seeing where chandlers lifetime ,post season #'s, are coming from..Dont blow a gasket chandler...Just curious.... The best site for stats, period. Nothing else comes even close. Bookmark that page. Use it. YOu'll be better for it. |
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Post by hembo36 on Oct 6, 2007 12:51:53 GMT -5
ab i just thought it kind of unusual...Do you think the astros experienced a phenomenon unlike any other team in the history of baseball? If you read these boards you know damned well im one of the first to say good pitching beats good hitting almost every time. having said that, one could also reasonably assume that when a hitter faces the same pitcher over and over, year in and year out, he is more familiar with that pitchers style..wouldnt you agree? Of course that doesnt mean he will naturally get a hit but its not really a stretch either
I do agree the advantage is with a good pitcher like maddux, smoltz or glavine(in the 90's) Your statement though more or less suggested biggio and bagwell alone faced good pitching..As if every time they came up they brought in Jesus Christ to pitch to them
what also strikes me as odd is that you mentioned Atlanta. The team that in all of those years going to the WS they won it once...
obviously some hit those pitchers...
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Post by astrobuddy on Oct 6, 2007 13:10:24 GMT -5
Yes.. but no one in the NL did. Pads and Marlins did it once each in the NL. The Yankees and Braves of the 90's were well above the other teams.
Alot of the greats didnt hit well in the playoffs. No one said Jesus Christ, but Maddux, Glavine and Smoltz of the 90's are about as close as you can get. Like I said, The Yankees of the 9o's were a dynasty. Losing to the Braves wasnt an insult.
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Post by Ken on Oct 7, 2007 19:02:28 GMT -5
You don't have to look any further than Ryan Howard to see what can happen to good players in the play-offs. The difference in a great player and a legendary player is the player that can deliver under pressure and with it all on the line. With all respect to Bagwell and Biggio (who were admittedly great,) they never fit that definition of legendary, like Reggie Jackson, or Kurt Gibson.
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Post by vega51 on Oct 7, 2007 19:12:48 GMT -5
Ken, agree, Manny has 20 homers, only 1 behind Bernie for all time in the playoffs.
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Post by sadoug on Oct 7, 2007 22:33:55 GMT -5
All these expanded playoffs give players a tremendous opportunity to put up big playoff records....but the record I expect to be around for a long, long time is Mickey mantles...18 World series homers
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Post by vega51 on Oct 8, 2007 6:07:08 GMT -5
Manny, 21 homers.
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Post by sadoug on Oct 8, 2007 7:52:08 GMT -5
Manny has 21 WORLD SERIES homers?
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Post by vega51 on Oct 8, 2007 7:53:40 GMT -5
Nope, tied Bernie for most homers in playoffs. You can say whatever you want but that is a great stat for a great player. I will ask you ONE thing, how many homers Bagwell and Biggio have in the post season?  / |
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Post by sadoug on Oct 8, 2007 7:59:08 GMT -5
Manny has 4 World series homers...
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Post by vega51 on Oct 8, 2007 8:01:12 GMT -5
Again, how many homers for Bagwell and Biggio? ??/// |
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