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Post by Coach on Jun 1, 2007 13:14:36 GMT -5
He was running fron 2nd to 3rd. The 3rd baseman was camped under a pop-up and when A-rod ran behind the 3rd baseban, he hollered "Mine" That confused the 3rd baseman into letting the ball drop. You guys are sh*tting me?? Who gives a damn, I can't believe the 3rd baseman fell for it. I'd be embarrased to have fallen for that one. FWIW, I pulled the same move myself and Texiban was there to see it. |
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Post by crashtest on Jun 1, 2007 13:16:18 GMT -5
"But "deeking" someone is a completely different thing. A baserunner is supposed to know where the ball is".
That is kind of like saying the outfielder is supposed to know where the wall is and not run head-long into it trying to catch a fly. A baserunner is going at a similar speed to second. Sure, he is supposed to try to catch a glimpse of the swing and immediately plot a presumed trajectory as he senses contact has been made. But that is kind of hard to do. What is the runner supposed to do, stop dead in his tracks and do a 360 to find the ball and re-analyze the situation? No, the next time he should start his slide about a foot from the bag and do a rolling block right into the SOB and blow out the SS/2B' s knee. "Uhh sorry, bub, you guys REALLY faked me out there. I thought for sure you were gunna turn two. Better luck next time." Why isn't THAT one of the sacred "UNWRITTEN RULES"? --- the general principle of which is you don't take unfair advantage of a fairly predictable circumstance that could happen randomly to either team and which might cause embarrassment and possible injury to the opponent.
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Post by chandler44 on Jun 1, 2007 13:53:58 GMT -5
FWIW, I pulled the same move myself and Texiban was there to see it. You once yelled "mine" while running behind the Toronto Blue Jays 3b and he dropped it? ;D ;D |
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Post by astrobuddy on Jun 1, 2007 15:27:51 GMT -5
NO Crash... that isnt the same thing. You can keep saying it is, but it isnt. The baserunner is supposed to pick up his 3rd base coach in that situation who will let him know where the ball is.
It was a chickensh*t thing to do and Arod is a punk for doing it.
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Post by Coach on Jun 1, 2007 16:40:54 GMT -5
FWIW, I pulled the same move myself and Texiban was there to see it. You once yelled "mine" while running behind the Toronto Blue Jays 3b and he dropped it? ;D ;D Yeah....those were the days. |
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Post by Coach on Jun 1, 2007 16:43:46 GMT -5
It was a chickensh*t thing to do and Arod is a punk for doing it. Bullsh*t, Astrobuddy. Is bowling over the catcher a chickensh*t thing to do also? Get a grip, the 3rd baseman fell for one of the oldest tricks in the book. The reason you don't see it too many times because most people are too smart to fall for it. |
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Post by ikedilligas on Jun 1, 2007 17:07:20 GMT -5
If A-rod would have stopped, stood right behind the 3rd baseman and yelled "I got it" then I could see more cause for folks to be upset. Personally I think it was a "little league" move as opposed to "bush league" (not sure what the difference is) but it sure ain't against the rules. I do think however that it is something typical of A-rod but not of all players in general. I sincerely doubt that a majorty of base runners holler at the fielders as they are running. That probably comes from teh dugouts more often than not.
The ultimate fault rests with the 3rd baseman. He was camped under it and should have caught it. The SS was in no better position to make the play regardless of whether or not he was calling for the ball. If they had collided and missed it then it makes the blooper reel. One way or the other, A-rod just distracted him but didn't interfere. I do think that A-Rod's hollering was childish but well winthin the rules.
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Post by redbaron on Jun 1, 2007 17:33:23 GMT -5
The third baseman was a dumbass for falling for it, but, ARod did a bush league thing when he yelled "mine". He'll get what's coming to him and I hope I get to see it. I can't stand ARod.
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Post by astrobuddy on Jun 1, 2007 18:57:05 GMT -5
Coach.. Bolling over the catcher, once again, isnt the same thing. The catcher is blocking where the baserunner needs to go and has a right too.
It isnt the oldest trick in the book and no one does it. Unwritten or not, the players police themselves on sh*t like this and Arod will pay.
IN a stadium, Fans screaming, it would be hard to tell the difference between Arod's voice and the SS voice if all that was said was "mine".
It was bush, little league. Arod hasnt endured himself to his teams and he pays for it.
He is classless.
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Post by crashtest on Jun 1, 2007 19:31:29 GMT -5
Y'all keep saying it wasn't against the rules, but just because you say that, doesn't make it true.
QUOTE:INTERFERENCE
(a) Offensive interference is an act by the team at bat which interferes with, obstructs, impedes, hinders or confuses any fielder attempting to make a play. If the umpire declares the batter, batter- runner, or a runner out for interference, all other runners shall return to the last base that was in the judgment of the umpire, legally touched at the time of the interference, unless otherwise provided by these rules.
What is it about the plain English of "or confuses any fielder attempting to make a play" that is so hard to comprehend? Just because the umps were too nutless and d*ckless to make the right call doesn't mean there isn't an applicable rule to cover the play.
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Post by hembo36 on Jun 2, 2007 7:35:33 GMT -5
but no matter who they have asked they said' do what you can to win' lets keep this in mind..Arod did it because he knew who was playing 3b..i kind of doubt he would have done it to scott rolen, eric chavez or frankly anybody else..this is a rookie starting his first game...it was underhanded but so what...nothing in the rules about it
look at it this way..next time these guys play the blue jays, Arod is going to take one in the center of the back
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Post by hembo36 on Jun 2, 2007 7:58:25 GMT -5
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Post by astrobuddy on Jun 2, 2007 12:09:15 GMT -5
Hembo... I truly hope you are being sarcastic.
Arod is a millionaire punk. This sh*t is why no one likes him. I dont care how good his stats are, he is still a punk and always will be. The sh*t he pulled on the field, was bush league and he and his team will pay for it.
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Post by hembo36 on Jun 2, 2007 12:44:21 GMT -5
i doubt it, ab...why is he a punk? what would you like him to do? Not everybody is cal ripken and tony gwynn...arod lives a lifestyle that is not harmful to anybody..maybe somewhat immoral but certainly not illegal or harmful to anybody..he is young, wealthy and good at what he does...i think he should be allowed to do anything he wants with his free time and money..The PUNKS are those fans and peanut gallery members making this into a huge deal...Its nothing short of class envy and jealousy
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Post by vega51 on Jun 2, 2007 12:58:14 GMT -5
Well, i prefer to see a guy like Arod TRYING TO WIN than Biggio playing for stats NOT CARING FOR HIS TEAM. Did Arod did that for HIM or for his TEAM?  ? At least Arod show me he is TRYING to help his team win. |
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