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Post by Coach on Jun 2, 2007 13:00:13 GMT -5
Bingo, Vega.
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Post by astrobuddy on Jun 2, 2007 13:15:57 GMT -5
hembo.. What he does off the field does effect his team. If you think it doesnt, you are wrong. Plus.. why would you think a guy who steps out on his wife and hangs with strippers is a "hero"? I dont really care who he sleeps with. It however goes to character. Arod has none.
Vega.. it doesnt matter why he did it. It was bush league and it was a classless thing to do. If you are good enough to win you dont need to do BS like that.
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Post by vega51 on Jun 2, 2007 13:22:50 GMT -5
thats why astros don't have a WS, you need ALL KIND OF PLAYERS IN YOUR TEAM. This is not the boyscouts, this is the ML. You need DIFFERENT personalities on your team not a boyscout club. We had Nevin and Meleusky, 2 VERY GOOD HITTERS, one at third, the other at C but because they could NOT GET ALONG WITH Biggio and Bagwell they were gone. What Clemens did to Piazza was worse, THROWING AT THE HEAD AND THEN A BAT. Is that Bush league or competitive nature trying to WIN and help the TEAM? ?? I take 25 Clemens and Arods over 25 Bagwell and Biggios.
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Post by astrobuddy on Jun 2, 2007 14:07:58 GMT -5
What has Arod won?
As for Nevin and Melusky.. where is Melusky? Nevin was horrible when he was here and he was behind a guy named Ken Caminiti. Nevin was NO Caminiti or Bagwell. Nevin was a well documented headcase. He was also a product of the steriod era. Look at the time frame of his short success. I wouldnt say.... "he could hit".
It had nothing to do with getting along with Bagwell and Biggio. How do you propose to know that from all the way down there in PR? You dont, you are guessing or making it up or just assuming. I am sure Biggio and Bagwell really got to know him in those 18 games he was with the Astros in 1995.
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Post by vega51 on Jun 2, 2007 14:13:39 GMT -5
Hmmmmm, you could say the same thing about Bagwell, right? ? or Biggio. So please, do not use those kind of words and accusation unless you are willing to put the astros in the SAME CATEGORY. And no, you are WRONG again. Is incredible how i know more from PR than you from Texas. Meleusky got into a fight with a veteran player in batting practice and Biggio and Bagwell told management they did not wanted Meleusky on the team, thats why he got traded. Biggio and Bagwell don't work with young guys, taht is a fact. Tell me what rookie they have taken under their wings? ??
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Post by astrobuddy on Jun 2, 2007 14:20:19 GMT -5
NO, you cant say the same thing about Biggio and Bagwell.. They have won. They have been to the WS. They have a League Championship ring. Arod has none of that.
Really? Melusky got traded because he was an a$$h*le and a headcase and never lived up to the hipe. He was a horrible catcher and was always hurt. He was up with the team for parts of 3 years and hell, Ausmus in his prime was traded because of him. So I highly doubt you know more about this situation.
Why arent you mentioning Nevin now? Kinda slipped your mind? 18 games and Bagwell and Biggo ran him off??
Tell me the young guys they DONT work with? How do you know they dont work with rookies. Tell me which ones they dont?
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Post by vega51 on Jun 2, 2007 14:25:09 GMT -5
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Post by astrobuddy on Jun 2, 2007 14:26:42 GMT -5
Its not something you can prove Vega.
It is nothing but an assumption on your part.
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Post by vega51 on Jun 2, 2007 14:35:29 GMT -5
Nope, THEY SAID SO, they gave intreviews and talk about it. NOW,HAVE YOU EVER LISTEN OR SEE AN INTERVIEW FROM THIS GUYS SAYING, BIGGIO HELP ME, BAGWELL HELP ME? Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo.
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Post by astrobuddy on Jun 2, 2007 14:42:58 GMT -5
So let me get this straight.. You have heard interviews from every young player on the Astros teams since 1988 and they all said Biggio and Bagwell refused to work with them???
Bagwell has been saying for years he wanted to work with the kids when he retired.
Keep trying Vega.
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Post by vega51 on Jun 2, 2007 14:45:02 GMT -5
well, looks like i've seen more than you, right?
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Post by astrobuddy on Jun 2, 2007 14:51:11 GMT -5
HUH? You have seen sh*t? Name the player and when the interview was that said neither Biggio or Bagwell will work with them?
Name it....
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Post by Coach on Jun 2, 2007 15:44:08 GMT -5
AB, can you name a few instances of where a second baseman in the astros have said that Biggio bent over backwards to help them?
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Post by vega51 on Jun 2, 2007 15:48:35 GMT -5
Actually, ONE, can you name ONE.
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Post by redbaron on Jun 2, 2007 18:02:49 GMT -5
Biggiio is playing like he's been "bending over" for the whole team.
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