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Post by astrobuddy on May 31, 2007 22:27:10 GMT -5
The stunt he pulled lastnite is another reason I dont like him and dont want him and the cancer he brings on my team.
What a classless move.
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Post by redbaron on May 31, 2007 22:29:47 GMT -5
ARod has no class...........never has had any class. Besides Bonds, he's probably the most selfish player in the game. There is a reason his teams never win anything. Nobody likes this a$$h*le.
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Post by hembo36 on May 31, 2007 23:01:15 GMT -5
two of the best in all time... this is fact..i much prefer almost greats like bagwell and berkman
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Post by hembo36 on May 31, 2007 23:06:03 GMT -5
btw...most people who have said anything are long time pros and they support AROD...people need to get over it...the guy is hounded everywhere, booed, stuff thrown at him...f**k what the fans say...toronto was starting a rookie and he f**ked up
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Post by vega51 on May 31, 2007 23:36:03 GMT -5
I take Arod any day.
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Post by astrobuddy on Jun 1, 2007 1:06:45 GMT -5
hembo.. this isnt about Bagwell or Berkman. What Arod did was bush league and I highly doubt anyone really thinks this is ok.
I am not denying his talent. I am just saying he has NO class and is a baby. The crap he gets his is own fault.
Oh by the way... Berkman and Bagwell have the same number of WS rings that Arod has and they have 1 more League Championship Ring than he does.
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Post by crashtest on Jun 1, 2007 6:51:37 GMT -5
Sorry, but I think it was a great play. Look, I've seen guys deeked into sliding at 2B by an equally "cagey" keystone combo who faked a double play on a hit to the outfield that the "hit and run" runner wasn't aware of. I have seen many a career destroyed by sliding awkwardly into bases and that ploy is designed to cause an awkward moment at 2B. That play - which has a substantial risk of inducing an injury- is considered perfectly legitimate, ethical, apple pie and flowers on Mother's Day as you can get. A-rod's ploy was no different. OK, there is the chance that the 3B and SS might bump each other when they would both go for the catch to defend again ventriloquy, but the worst that they would get would be bruised egos.
There is a rule against it, however:
"INTERFERENCE
(a) Offensive interference is an act by the team at bat which interferes with, obstructs, impedes, hinders or confuses any fielder attempting to make a play. If the umpire declares the batter, batter- runner, or a runner out for interference, all other runners shall return to the last base that was in the judgment of the umpire, legally touched at the time of the interference, unless otherwise provided by these rules.
Rule 2.00 (Interference) Comment: In the event the batter-runner has not reached first base, all runners shall return to the base last occupied at the time of the pitch.
(b) Defensive interference is an act by a fielder which hinders or prevents a batter from hitting a pitch".
The Blue Jays were definitely "confused" by the act of A-rod saying "Mine" or "I got it" and it was up to the umps to call it. However, the fake DP ploy could also be called as "Obstruction" by a similar interpretation:
"OBSTRUCTION is the act of a fielder who, while not in possession of the ball and not in the act of fielding the ball, impedes the progress of any runner".
A HoF shortstop (I can't recall his name), would occasionally stand behind the pitcher and wave his arms to distract the batter. In 1931, a rule was made to disallow that. I think it might be hard to rule against vocalizations - unless the fine art of bench jockeying be disallowed, as well as the need for Japanese, Korean, Chinese, and Spanish translators with spy-ears all along the field box railing to assure consistent enforcement ..."You said, 'I got it'. No, in my Chinese dialect, I said, 'Your mother is a flea-bitten whore". Then the umps would have to go into conference and pull out a blackberry to babelfish it. "Yes, with the upward inflection on the last syllable, it definitely comes back as 'flea-bitten whore' and not 'it's mine'".
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Post by chandler44 on Jun 1, 2007 6:55:27 GMT -5
From what I've heard - and I obviously wasn't around to see this first hand - guys like Tris Speaker and Ty Cobb pulled these moves quite often.
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Post by astrobuddy on Jun 1, 2007 8:53:17 GMT -5
But "deeking" someone is a completely different thing. A baserunner is supposed to know where the ball is.
When a baserunner calls out "mine" or whatever it is just bush league and isnt anywhere close to being the same thing as "deeking".
It was the top of the 9th inning with the Yankees leading 7-3 or some such score. Arod is a punk. Just like reaching in the glove and pulling the ball out.
It wasnt a great play and ballplayers know it. The next series against Toronto rest assured he will get drilled.
Like Kevin Bass said yesterday... there are unwritten rules about things and this is one of them. You just dont do it.
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Post by chandler44 on Jun 1, 2007 9:06:14 GMT -5
Except that they used to do it all the time.
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Post by redbaron on Jun 1, 2007 9:33:40 GMT -5
Maybe ARod was trying to impress the blonde bimbo.....who wasn't his wife........that he was partying with at that strip club. ARod is punk and a phoney.
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Post by Coach on Jun 1, 2007 9:56:44 GMT -5
I wasn't around the tube last night, what did A-rod do?
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Post by ikedilligas on Jun 1, 2007 10:08:42 GMT -5
He was running fron 2nd to 3rd. The 3rd baseman was camped under a pop-up and when A-rod ran behind the 3rd baseban, he hollered "Mine" That confused the 3rd baseman into letting the ball drop.
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Post by redbaron on Jun 1, 2007 10:31:34 GMT -5
I saw it on Sportcenter. The third baseman should have decked the punk.
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Post by crashtest on Jun 1, 2007 12:44:41 GMT -5
But "deeking" someone is a completely different thing. A baserunner is supposed to know where the ball is. When a baserunner calls out "mine" or whatever it is just bush league and isnt anywhere close to being the same thing as "deeking". It was the top of the 9th inning with the Yankees leading 7-3 or some such score. Arod is a punk. Just like reaching in the glove and pulling the ball out. It wasnt a great play and ballplayers know it. The next series against Toronto rest assured he will get drilled. Like Kevin Bass said yesterday... there are unwritten rules about things and this is one of them. You just dont do it. The problem is, there IS a rule written that pertains to it and addresses the issue. It is called INTERFERENCE. The umpire also has the discretion to rule on matters not SPECIFICALLY addressed in the rulebook. Notwithstanding that the rulebook DOES directly address the play, the umpires are given latitude to rule on what constitutes "confusing the fielder attempting to make a play". Calling "mine" fits the bill to a tee. So this controversy is the fault of the umpires. They were too stupid and gutless to call it. They were afraid of calling it against a New York team and getting their ani reamed in the New York press. The Blue Jays should have protested the game on the grounds of mis-application of the WRITTEN RULES --- screw the damned "unwritten" rulebook. So now the umps are going to have a beanball battle of intentionally drilled batters (also against the WRITTEN RULES). And we are going to have to listen to the Joe Morgan's and Bob Brenly's of the world pontificate to us about "unwritten rules" and "how the game is supposed to be played" ---like Bonds and Griffey never having a strike called against them. |
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