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Post by astrobuddy on Sept 27, 2007 22:47:47 GMT -5
Yea.. middle of the road?? Keep talking that BS Bembo. It shows just how truly ignorant you are.
Vega.. Is batting average the main stat to judge a player?
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Post by dennis2112 on Sept 28, 2007 15:02:22 GMT -5
Please don't derail this thread into a Berkman vs Vlad argument again.
Vega , everybody knows how you feel and how jaded your perception of certain players are.
If you believe Vlad is a HOF that is your right but don't try and hammer other people if they don't believe your opinion is right. IMO, Vlad has not earned that right nor has Berkman. If both stay at their current paces, they BOTH should make it...period. Any amount of whining on your part won't change that.
It is a fact that if Berkman stays on his current pace and plays without injury, his offensive numbers alone would make him a possible HOF, just as Vlad's numbers would. However, if Vlad did not play again, he would not make it nor would Berkman.
That is the facts...jack!!!
The facts are that BOTH players have shown potential for possible future HOF votes but need to continue at their current paces.
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Post by astrobuddy on Sept 28, 2007 16:17:21 GMT -5
Wow... very nice Dennis, very nice indeed.
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Post by jamesa46 on Sept 28, 2007 17:30:05 GMT -5
Had Berkman continued hitting at the pace he did in his career season, he would be considered a premier player but his steady decline (not really that bad for a power hitter) I would rate him more like Greg Luzinski.
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Post by dennis2112 on Sept 28, 2007 21:00:03 GMT -5
Had Berkman continued hitting at the pace he did in his career season, he would be considered a premier player but his steady decline (not really that bad for a power hitter) I would rate him more like Greg Luzinski. I would rate him a bit higher than that due to his ability to hit from both sides of the plate and the ability to hit for more than just HRs. Greg was a pure power hitter with a lower BA than Berkman. Besides 30 HRs and 100 RBI's is not bad for an off year. Alot of player would not get there in their best years. |
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Post by jamesa46 on Sept 28, 2007 21:39:16 GMT -5
Luzinski batted .290 or better five times in his career, .300 or better 4 times . He had a 120 RBI season and a 130 RBI season and 7 seasons of 90 or more RBI's. 30 doubles or more 5 times and his highwater mark in home runs was 39 in 1977 although he hit 30 or more home runs per season 4 times. So, he and Berkman compare favorably although your right, Luzinski was not a switch-hitter.
Greg Luzinski was no slouch. The guy could hit.
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Post by astrobuddy on Sept 28, 2007 21:40:09 GMT -5
James.. I would like to know when this "steady decline" started?  ?? Thats the most assinine thing I have ever heard. " steady decline" ? This is his 2006 line .... .315 BA, .420 OBP , 45 HR's, 133 RBI's and an OPS of 1.041. That isnt the 1st season he has had that kind of a season. His 2007 has been an off season but oh my god... he isnt in "decline" , damn sure not steady. Is Pujols in steady decline after the year he has had? |
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Post by jamesa46 on Sept 28, 2007 21:48:41 GMT -5
James.. I would like to know when this "steady decline" started? ?? Thats the most assinine thing I have ever heard. " steady decline" ? A .331 BA in 2001 to around .277 in 2007 is a decline that prevents him from being a premier hitter....he's not in the same league as Vladimer. ..and by the way, when are you going to stop using internet message boards to insult people? How many years now have you been posting in an Astros forum of one kind or another and yet you still come across as as arrogant ass? |
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Post by astrobuddy on Sept 28, 2007 22:00:00 GMT -5
When did I " insult " you??? I questioned your logic, but I didnt call you any names as you just did me.
So, its all about batting average?? The fact that his power numbers have gone up every year and he has been the model of consistancy is just ignored? His batting average has gone up and down. Its a fluctuation, not a decline.
Vlad went from .345 to .322 is that a steady decline? Vlad power numbers are going down. Steady decline???
Pujols hit .359 a few years ago and hasnt been close since... is he in steady decline???
Arod went from .358 to .290 last year... was he in Steady decline??
Dont post stupid sh*t without any fact to back it up. Then you wont have to worry about being made to look like an old fool. So you are upset that Berkman didnt have an MVP type season like he has for the last 4 or 5 years. Fine, but dont go overboard.
By the way.....How many years are you going to continue being a complete bozo on Astros boards?? Dont you have another campaign to start or need to retire again from the internet?
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Post by jamesa46 on Sept 28, 2007 22:09:25 GMT -5
asinine: Definition:
1. Extremely stupid/foolish.
2. Of or relating to the ass.
You might try having a dictionary handy before you start slandering people AGAIN. That is assuming you don't know the definition of the above word.
Anyway...forget it....this bs is not worth it to me anymore.
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Post by Coach on Sept 28, 2007 22:42:56 GMT -5
Astrobuddy, what the hell is your problem? If you can't keep from turning every thread you participate in into a pissing match, your ass is outta here. Just because you didn't like what James said does not make it asinine.
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Post by dennis2112 on Sept 28, 2007 23:42:18 GMT -5
Greg Luzinski was no slouch. The guy could hit. James, don't misunderstand me. I did not mean to demean Luzinski. I happen to like him as a player very much but I feel that Berkman is a better hitter overall than Greg was. However, Greg was a nasty hitter that struck fear in your average pitcher. In the end, if Berkman continues at his current pace, he will be known as a great hitter and very good ball player. He may have had an off year this year and may have had a problem 2 years ago due to his knee injury but his numbers are still better than average. |
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Post by astrobuddy on Sept 28, 2007 23:52:41 GMT -5
It wasnt me who started this. I stated my opinion and then James came back at me. He still hasnt debated the ISSUE.
I thought his take was, as he printed, foolish and stupid. To say that Berkman has been in steady decline since 2001 is just what I said. If James and others cant bone up and back up their takes they shouldnt write them.
There is a HUGE difference between attacking someones take and attacking someone personally. I attacked James' opinon, not him. Well.. not until after he attacked me.
I will try and be kinder and gentler.
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Post by vega51 on Sept 29, 2007 0:02:04 GMT -5
James, you are right, like always.
Berkman is NOT in the same league with Vlad, we are talking about a future HALL OF FAMER vs guy that is a great hitter, NOT IN THE SAME LEAGUE.
Then again, Berkman was compared to Pujols not long ago by some "experts".
Then again, Ensberg was ALSO compared to ARod by those SAME "expertes".
So James, don't worry about insults, they will CONTINUE to come from some people again and again.
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Post by astrobuddy on Sept 29, 2007 0:19:30 GMT -5
NO>.. Ensberg wasnt compared to Arod. Ensberg's 2005 was an AROD type year. Thats the only comparing I did. If you can find where I said anything different, then prove or shut the hell up and quit lying to serve your personal purpose.
Berkman is in the same class with Pujols and Vlad and I will continue to say it because the stats and FACTS say it.
Yea.. insult will come from Vega, the guy with little mans syndrome.
Quit kissing up Vega.
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