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Post by Coach on Sept 27, 2007 10:42:22 GMT -5
The past decade or so, (don't argue about the time frame, nitpickers, because I'm not going to look it up) we are used to huge HR numbers. The investigation in to steroids seems to be scaring off some of the abusers because there haven't been an absurd number of guys hitting 40 plus homers like there were in the recent past. I think the HR numbers are going to continue to go down to levels like we used to see in the 80's and early 90's.
Your thoughts (this means nitpick away).
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Post by Coach on Sept 27, 2007 10:47:22 GMT -5
Year National League HR American League HR
2007 (NL AL) Prince Fielder* (MIL) 50 Alex Rodriguez (NYY) 53
2006 (NL AL) Ryan Howard* (PHI) 58 David Ortiz* (BOS) 54
2005 (NL AL) Andruw Jones (ATL) 51 Alex Rodriguez (NYY) 48
2004 (NL AL) Adrian Beltre (LAD) 48 Manny Ramirez (BOS) 43
2003 (NL AL) Jim Thome* (PHI) 47 Alex Rodriguez (TEX) 47
2002 (NL AL) Sammy Sosa (CHC) 49 Alex Rodriguez (TEX) 57
2001 (NL AL) Barry Bonds* (SFG) 73 Alex Rodriguez (TEX) 52
2000 (NL AL) Sammy Sosa (CHC) 50 Troy Glaus (ANA) 47
1999 (NL AL) Mark McGwire (STL) 65 Ken Griffey* (SEA) 48
1998 (NL AL) Mark McGwire (STL) 70 Ken Griffey* (SEA) 56
1997 (NL AL) Larry Walker* (COL) 49 Ken Griffey* (SEA) 56
1996 (NL AL) Andres Galarraga (COL) 47 Mark McGwire (OAK) 52
1995 (NL AL) Dante Bichette (COL) 40 Albert Belle (CLE) 50
1994 (NL AL) Matt Williams (SFG) 43 Ken Griffey* (SEA) 40
1993 (NL AL) Barry Bonds* (SFG) 46 Juan Gonzalez (TEX) 46
1992 (NL AL) Fred McGriff* (SDP) 35 Juan Gonzalez (TEX) 43
1991 (NL AL) Howard Johnson# (NYM) 38 Jose Canseco (OAK)
Cecil Fielder (DET) 44
1990 (NL AL) Ryne Sandberg+ (CHC) 40 Cecil Fielder (DET) 51
1989 (NL AL) Kevin Mitchell (SFG) 47 Fred McGriff* (TOR) 36
1988 (NL AL) Darryl Strawberry* (NYM) 39 Jose Canseco (OAK) 42
1987 (NL AL) Andre Dawson (CHC) 49 Mark McGwire (OAK) 49
1986 (NL AL) Mike Schmidt+ (PHI) 37 Jesse Barfield (TOR) 40
1985 (NL AL) Dale Murphy (ATL) 37 Darrell Evans* (DET) 40
1984 (NL AL) Dale Murphy (ATL)
Mike Schmidt+ (PHI) 36 Tony Armas (BOS) 43
1983 (NL AL) Mike Schmidt+ (PHI) 40 Jim Rice (BOS) 39
1982 (NL AL) Dave Kingman (NYM) 37 Reggie Jackson*+ (CAL)
Gorman Thomas (MIL) 39
1981 (NL AL) Mike Schmidt+ (PHI) 31 Tony Armas (OAK)
Dwight Evans (BOS)
Bobby Grich (CAL)
Eddie Murray#+ (BAL) 22
1980 (NL AL) Mike Schmidt+ (PHI) 48 Reggie Jackson*+ (NYY)
Ben Oglivie* (MIL) 41
1979 (NL AL) Dave Kingman (CHC) 48 Gorman Thomas (MIL) 45
1978 (NL AL) George Foster (CIN) 40 Jim Rice (BOS) 46
1977 (NL AL) George Foster (CIN) 52 Jim Rice (BOS) 39
1976 (NL AL) Mike Schmidt+ (PHI) 38 Graig Nettles* (NYY) 32
1975 (NL AL) Mike Schmidt+ (PHI) 38 Reggie Jackson*+ (OAK)
George Scott (MIL) 36
1974 (NL AL) Mike Schmidt+ (PHI) 36 d*ck Allen (CHW) 32
1973 (NL AL) Willie Stargell*+ (PIT) 44 Reggie Jackson*+ (OAK) 32
1972 (NL AL) Johnny Bench+ (CIN) 40 d*ck Allen (CHW) 37
1971 (NL AL) Willie Stargell*+ (PIT) 48 Bill Melton (CHW) 33
1970 (NL AL) Johnny Bench+ (CIN) 45 Frank Howard (WSA) 44
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Post by Coach on Sept 27, 2007 10:52:53 GMT -5
My reason for posting this is for example our very own Lance Berkman. His final numbers are not bad but in comparison to numbers he and others have put up in the past, they seem a little weak for a premier hitter.
Because of cheating, have we come to expect more from the players than they is possible without cheating.
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Post by jbarron on Sept 27, 2007 11:06:12 GMT -5
You can look at Berkman and tell he isn't cheating.
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Post by Coach on Sept 27, 2007 11:07:28 GMT -5
I agree he isn't but cheating by others sets the bar high for everyone.
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Post by texiban001 on Sept 27, 2007 12:11:17 GMT -5
I consider 30 home runs a year acceptable for a "premier hitter".
All of these numbers are skewed by the steroid scandals and the fact that the pitching is not what it used to be.
Since 2000:
2000 - Randy Johnson - ARI - 347 K
2001 - Randy Johnson - ARI - 372 K
2002 - Randy Johnson - ARI - 334 K
2003 - Kerry Wood - CHC - 266 K
2004 - Randy Johnson - ARI - 290 K
2005 - Jake Peavy - SDP - 216 K
2006 - Aaron Harang - CIN - 216
The K# is falling off dramatically. I believe that this is a result of having WAY too many teams and not enough talent to go around.
If 4 teams would go away, I think that you would see a fall off of HR's hit and Ks go up a bit.
The Devil Rays, Royals, Nationals and Marlins, IMHO, need to be folded and the players be allocated to other teams. I know I am in for some harsh criticism, but if baseball does not do something to attract more young athletes to play, there will be no choice in the end except to fold some teams so the others can survive along with the game.
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Post by texiban001 on Sept 27, 2007 12:11:52 GMT -5
BTW, who you be callin' a nit picker, Home Slice?
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Post by Coach on Sept 27, 2007 14:23:35 GMT -5
Not you, you'd be a nose picker not a nit picker.
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Post by vega51 on Sept 27, 2007 14:34:28 GMT -5
I think we are expecting too much from Berkman because we overvalue him, example, some members believe he is a future Hall of Famer or AS GOOD as Vlad.
I think he is a GREAT HITTER, but not a GREAT PLAYER.
We have 2 Hall of Famers, Biggio and Bagwell and Berkman is NOT in the same league with those 2.
Now, I AM VERY HAPPY THAT AFTER THIS WEEK WE DON'T HAVE TO WATCH BIGGIO PLAY ANYMORE.
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Post by texiban001 on Sept 27, 2007 15:05:34 GMT -5
Well just remember, you can prick your finger, but don't finger your prick. You can think about it, but don't do it! ;D
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Post by chandler44 on Sept 27, 2007 15:47:14 GMT -5
I consider 30 home runs a year acceptable for a "premier hitter". Just to play devil's advocate - do you not consider guys like Tony Gwynn or Ichiro to be premiere hitters? I'd say that's more of a case of a freak of nature like Randy Johnson skewing the numbers more than it being proof of there being too many teams. Let's look at the 2nd place K guy each year and the number of strikeouts per season by the whole NL. Team League K's 2000 17323 2001 17930 2002 17374 2003 17066 2004 17323 2005 16830 2006 17258 There's not really a huge difference in the overall number of K's in the league. It's just as likely that the steroid testing has affected K totals as it has HR totals. I don't think that baseball's in dire need of contraction in order to survive. |
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Post by texiban001 on Sept 27, 2007 15:48:58 GMT -5
It may not be in "dire" need, but I thinnk the teams would be better and the game a lot more fun to watch.
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Post by astrobuddy on Sept 27, 2007 16:43:13 GMT -5
No one overvalues Lance Berkman. Some people just beleive the ESPN and media hype players in Houston never get. If Berkman played in LA, NY or even St Louis he would be considered a baseball god. MLB knows how good Berkman is as do most real fans. Berkman could make the HOF as he still has a LOOOONG time to play baring injury. Others will put curret players in the HOF even though they arent there yet and dont have the stats yet.
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Post by hembo36 on Sept 27, 2007 22:21:28 GMT -5
The guy is far from premiere coach..he is a better than average hitter but middle of the road all around..
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Post by vega51 on Sept 27, 2007 22:33:56 GMT -5
hembo, almost right, great hitter (eventough, a guy hitting in the .270's for most of the year is not great) but not a GREAT PLAYER. Would you imagine Vlad hitting .270?  ??/// I think Vlad would hit that hitting left handed, lol |
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