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Post by hembo36 on Sept 30, 2007 17:40:58 GMT -5
It was Vega and Vega alone that compared Berkman to Manny.
actually i said it...look above
ya jb, ckc sucker..i said that and whats not true about it? you post whats not accurate about that chit for brains
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Post by hembo36 on Sept 30, 2007 17:44:15 GMT -5
btw..what other fckn genius wants a piece of that statement? manny ramirez is a much better offensive threat than tony gwynn? jb doesnt think so.... i have paypal account...
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Post by hembo36 on Sept 30, 2007 17:52:02 GMT -5
;D This is the best board in the history of boards
ramirez beats him in just about every major offensive category..I want you to explain to me how gwynn is better? what is better than obp% slug% ops% HR's, and rbi's? This will be an interesting spin for sure..Many countless times the people of this board have said average isnt most of offense....You f**ked up bro LMAO...you didnt even look at the stats did ya?
whats more is that ol manny isnt too far off in career average either ;D
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Post by astrobuddy on Sept 30, 2007 18:16:42 GMT -5
" hitter " OK.. Gwynn was a better pure hitter, but Manny is a better offensive player. I dont think anyone will dispute that.
Berkman is a better offensive player than Vlad and I posted the stats that prove it, others have posted the stats that prove it. You just flat ignore it.
I post stats and facts hembo, something you have never done. You have never posted one thing to back up your opinion or stupid ideas of sh*t.
At best you are an ignorant casual fan. You really have no idea about baseball. You scan sh*t and dont look into the reality. If a player isnt getting ESPN air time well.. he cant be good. What do you say all the time... " well, if I never heard of him" ..... LOL
You were an idiot troll when you showed up here and you are still and idiot troll.
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Post by chandler44 on Sept 30, 2007 19:32:38 GMT -5
At the risk of sniping, I'll point out that Jeter is really no more 'clutch' than any one else. His numbers in 'clutch' situations closely resemble his numbers overall, just like they typically do for any baseball player.
Just for a quick and dirty:
Jeter with men on: .321 avg/.400OBP/.442 SLG
Jeter with bases empty: .315 avg/.380OBP/.476 SLG
No one would say that Manny is a better hitter than Gwynn was; Manny is, however, a much more productive offensive player considering he did get on base more often and hit for much more power.
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Post by hembo36 on Sept 30, 2007 19:41:03 GMT -5
chandler..he isnt that far away in average either..i think gwynn was what .338? manram is .315 now thats a type of argument that would just be petty...If ramirez was like .301 thats a little different....The whole point is that i dont think you could possibly say gwynn was a better hitter...does hitting not count everything? who said anything about pure hitting? i specifically stated ramirez was a better hitter than gwynn overall..not only that i also said if someones life depended on it theres nobody better than gwynn to deliver...d*ckhead just decided to be a d*ckhead is all
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Post by astrobuddy on Sept 30, 2007 20:58:27 GMT -5
Ok.. so let me get this straight... Manny isnt that far off Gwynn with .25 difference, but Berkman is light years behind Vlad at .24 behind him?  How does that work again??? Oh yea... it is YOUR argument, so you decide which stats to use and which ones count and which ones dont. I got it now. LMAO>.. hembo... this is why you are a tool. I love how you purposely used the .301 average because that just happens to be Berkmans career average. |
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Post by hembo36 on Sept 30, 2007 21:24:53 GMT -5
huh? who besides berkman has .301? anyways, im not the one making a big deal about it..i said vlad is much betetr all around and he is..their hitting is comparable..what is it your looking for?
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Post by vega51 on Sept 30, 2007 22:13:04 GMT -5
hembo, .325 and .312 is a big difference, now, .312 is a big difference over .301 also. 1 more year for berkman like this one and his average is going to be under .300. Now, Vlad, at SAME age hit .324, Berkman? /// .279? ?/ or something close to that. |
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Post by jbarron on Sept 30, 2007 22:20:50 GMT -5
It was Vega and Vega alone that compared Berkman to Manny. actually i said it...look above ya jb, ckc sucker..i said that and whats not true about it? you post whats not accurate about that chit for brains Hembo, the crap that you post is why you have ZERO credibility here. You don't know sh*t about what you are talking about. |
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Post by astrobuddy on Sept 30, 2007 22:57:09 GMT -5
hembo... keep trying to crawfish. It aint working. You are obvious to anyone who cares to even casually read.
Yea yea Vega.. and when Berkman was 25 he hit .331 and Vlad hit .307 whats your point??? Vlad also has never hit as many homers in 1 season as Berkman has. Once again... whats your point. FINALLY even hembo crawls and buries it inside a post but he admits Berkman and Vlad are very much the same hitter, although he falls back on his " overall" bullsh*t. What is your problem?? I have shown you that Berkmans career averages are higher than Vlad yet you just ignore it.
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Post by vega51 on Oct 1, 2007 6:20:08 GMT -5
Barron, to tell you the truth, Manny is better hitter, now, he is 35 and Berkman SHOULD have 4 or 5 more good years before we see the player decline in numbers while Manny should start to decline now. Now, manny and Berkman are NOT in the same league with Vlad, thats for sure. Lets see Manny, .313 average, .409 OBP and slugging of .593. Already 2,200 hits, should get 3,000 hits, already 490 homers, should get to 500 easily, 1603 rbi's, should get to 2,000 easily. We all agree that Biggio and Bagwell are SURE Hall of Famer, compare numbers, especially those of Bagwell and Manny and you'll see what i see, Hembo is right. \ Now, for Berkman to be able to finish with these kind of numbers he will have to play until he is 40 and declining his talent. OF COURSE, THERE ARE SOME FANS THAT WILL NOT CARE TO HAVE BERKMAN PLAYING 3 YEARS SUCKING BIG TIME TO GET TO 500 HOMERS AND 2,500 HITS, BUT I DO CARE. While Vlad will finish with 3,000 hits and STILL BE PRODUCTIVE WHILE DOING IN IT, others will suck trying to get some numbers to be considered Hall of Fame material (Berkman).. Thats why is IMPORTANT to judge players in favor over others when at SAME AGE numbers reflect better numbers (more homers, doubles, rbi's, steals, run scored, average, actually, everything except walks? ??/) Good, we found out that Berkman walks more than Vlad, GREAT. |
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Post by astrobuddy on Oct 1, 2007 6:36:05 GMT -5
Vega you are the KING of knowning things no one else knows. You dont know what Vlad will be able to do. You are guessing.
You have also been shown that Berkmans Career averages are higher than Vlads. He hits more HR's , RBI's Hits, per year than Vlad does. The stats are CLEAR.
Just answer this ... why do you ignore the stats??? Just answer that.. please.
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Post by chandler44 on Oct 1, 2007 8:34:27 GMT -5
The difference between hitting .312 as opposed to hitting .301 over 600 at bats is 7 hits.
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Post by sadoug on Oct 1, 2007 8:40:01 GMT -5
not to get into this fight, but Vega did say "lifetime'...
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How does that work again??? 
